Premier League 2017/18

[Devils]

This is exactly what I said would happen when Liverpool signed VVD.

He's a great defender, but it's not going to matter much because Klopp and the rest of his staff have no clue how to organize the team defensively.

 

[JamDav1982]

Liverpool defence is poor but they had the best home defensive record in the league prior to the City game i think.

VVD has been poor in past couple games can only get better but he was never worth being most expensive defender in the world.

 

[Neymessi]

Nah mate, disagree with that perception. And you're using some sweeping statements like "always been a failed club", hard to agree with.
I've lived with Liverpool fans, made best friends with a number of them and know a whole lot of the rest. I agree with you in that they have done little to merit being considered a top top team recently. But honestly, it haaaaardly means their fans are delusional about it. Especially not after being a selling club ever since they lost Xabi and Torres. Nobody thought they made some significant jump after 1 EL final or even that title run with Coutinho, Gerrard and Suarez. Because they never made it in the end.
Now, they are definitely the team that is knocking on the door again. Klopp's stubbornness helps them combat that inferiority within, even despite his flaws as a coach (constant conceding from set pieces, lack of substantial bench building). But they are definitely making the correct steps to get back to where they want to be. Their mentality of showing up against big teams is a great example, they have the right attitude when their reputation is at its most visible. They do lose it straight after usually, or a few weeks after, but that's another story and other measures are used to fight that.

In any case, it's far from a sinking ship. They just need to keep on working on it and they have the right man to do that, so long as he addresses depth and leadership issues.

Disagree with what? I am not saying liverpool was always crap, but it has been crap for a long time now. By always I mean a good part of the last decade and a half.

Liverpool fans are widely known for their delusion and few anecdotes from your friends don't mean much. I never said they made a significant jump with an EL final. You last few sentences are just what we have been hearing for a lot of time and hear every season. They lost their best player in coutinho just now, had they been such a good club why do players want to leave it? Sure liverpool owners are more reluctant to let players go than they were before but the fact is that players do want to leave. And they haven't made much progress under klopp either imo.

Its not a sinking ship, its a sunken ship. After how long now have they reached the knockouts in CL? How often have they made top 4 in recent years? How long does a top club need to act like a midtable club when it starts to be considered not a top club? Klopp has been here for 2.5 seasons now and what has he done? They still are fighting hard for top 4 and have only just recently entered top 4 and there is a good chance that they will not finish top 4.

 

[El Gato]

Disagree with what? I am not saying liverpool was always crap, but it has been crap for a long time now. By always I mean a good part of the last decade and a half.

Ah. Clear then. Lol. Gotta love people with hyperbole. And an incorrect one at that.

Liverpool fans are widely known for their delusion and few anecdotes from your friends don't mean much.

It's as good a sample of sensible supporters as any. If you base your argument on opinions of mindless people who aren't able to tell their elbow from their ass then hey, it's just as valid as stating CR is objectively the best in the world..

They lost their best player in coutinho just now, had they been such a good club why do players want to leave it? Sure liverpool owners are more reluctant to let players go than they were before but the fact is that players do want to leave. And they haven't made much progress under klopp either imo.

They have been a selling club since Xabi and Torres left, stated nothing less. To an extent they still are, but their frontline hasn't suffered as much from Coutinho's move as it did from Suarez's and they should be fine as a result. They're more reluctant and rightly so, Klopp supports the idea, they're on the right track. Coutinho's case is subtly different, because he's been there for half a decade. It's understandable he prefers a change of environment and a chance to play with Messi over backroom struggle to get the team into a shape good enough to win titles.

Its not a sinking ship, its a sunken ship. After how long now have they reached the knockouts in CL? How often have they made top 4 in recent years?How long does a top club need to act like a midtable club when it starts to be considered not a top club? Klopp has been here for 2.5 seasons now and what has he done? They still are fighting hard for top 4 and have only just recently entered top 4 and there is a good chance that they will not finish top 4.

Sunken ship does not regularly manage to beat top 4 teams. Not sure what you're trying to achieve with derogatory relative terms. Is Sevilla a sunken ship, because they can't make top3 with a squad fairly capable of giving a game to top sides? Is Bilbao a sunken ship for failing in Europa League recently? Hardly.

Nor have I argued they weren't a midtable club. Far from a failed one like you state since their following, recently solid rebuilding and potential clearly doesn't warrant that label.

 

[Neymessi]

Ah. Clear then. Lol. Gotta love people with hyperbole. And an incorrect one at that.

It was a pretty obvious hyperbole and I even said they haven't won anything for a long time which was evident enough that I am not taking their history in account.

It's as good a sample of sensible supporters as any. If you base your argument on opinions of mindless people who aren't able to tell their elbow from their ass then hey, it's just as valid as stating CR is objectively the best in the world..

No I am not basing my arguments of others opinions. I have personally seen extreme delusion from plenty of liverpool fans in real life as well as online and my observations are substantiated by the fact that liverpool fans are indeed considered deluded by a large proportion of football fans.

You haven't countered my argument at all. If you reject the claims made by the majority of football fans then what are you basing your own judgement that livepool fans aren't deluded on? Personal anecdotes? Well my personal anecdotes as well as the general football opinion agree on my opinion.

They have been a selling club since Xabi and Torres left, stated nothing less. To an extent they still are, but their frontline hasn't suffered as much from Coutinho's move as it did from Suarez's and they should be fine as a result. They're more reluctant and rightly so, Klopp supports the idea, they're on the right track. Coutinho's case is subtly different, because he's been there for half a decade. It's understandable he prefers a change of environment and a chance to play with Messi over backroom struggle to get the team into a shape good enough to win titles.

This is just a prediction which may or may not come out to be true. But that is besides the point. The point is how liverpool can be considered a top club still. What you are saying is that you have good faith in their project vision and blah blah which is also faulty. Its been a good 2 seasons and really they haven't achieved jack and are still stuggling to make top 4. No WC players would ever join them against the likes of manu or manc, forget barca or real. I don't see how they are going to compete.

Sunken ship does not regularly manage to beat top 4 teams. Not sure what you're trying to achieve with derogatory relative terms. Is Sevilla a sunken ship, because they can't make top3 with a squad fairly capable of giving a game to top sides? Is Bilbao a sunken ship for failing in Europa League recently? Hardly.

Nor have I argued they weren't a midtable club. Far from a failed one like you state since their following, recently solid rebuilding and potential clearly doesn't warrant that label.

Lol. What is a sunken ship then? And you say you haven't argued that they aren't a midtable club? Then what are you arguing? And you are basing liverpool's strength based on their ability to defeat top team? If barca or real decline to average clubs who hardly reach CL but sometimes win against big team, will they not be considered a failure?

 

[Givenchy]

Arsenal 2-1 down vs Swansea

 

[FCBfan22]

Arsenal 2-1 down vs Swansea

Yup. With Peter Cech looking like a new Liverpool GK.

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[Givenchy]

3-1 Swansea

 

[Devils]

They are surely out of top 4 contention now.

Well deserved too.

 

[El Gato]

TBF Swansea have been decent in the past few weeks. Big win vs Liverpool must have given them back some confidence. 5 straight game without a loss (including FA Cup fixtures). Still Lolsenal.

 

[Trickykid]

Arsenal were shockingly bad. Mustafi, Xhaka, Cech and probably a handful more, looked like they belong in a second tier league or worse. I have zero love for Arsenal or Wenger, but I feel for their fans... must be rough and a half

 

[BenRobbins]

Shambles from United so far at the back. Jones and Smalling look shaky today. Going forward we have been great but have missed a few chances.

Not sure why jose has changed the way we usually play again though, why the fuck is pogba playing on the right of the 3 and deep? And Martial RW even tho he has been good.

 

[Capitan Puyol]

Mouflop...

 

[Givenchy]

watching the Spurs United game on Bein sport and holy shit Andy Grey and partner in crime Richard Keys are on there

 

[JamDav1982]

What the fuck is Conte on at Chelsea?

Letting the one fit striker they have who had just scored three in last four games.

They are all over the place.