Premier League 2018/19
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CatalinR10
Senior Member
well at least it wasn't 1-6 
BBZ8800
Senior Member
1. name 1 player in Liverpool's attack or midfield who DOESN'T defend
2. name 1 player in: Messi, Dembele, Suarez, Coutinho, Arthur who DOES defend
People are again looking only at an attacking part of play.
But football is played in both ways.
Liverpool plays it in both ways.
Barca plays it in only one way.
This is why we have Rakitic and Busi, the only guys who are bringing back the balance, yet people want to get rid of Raki or even both.
To strengthen the attack even more and kill the defense even more.
malvolio
Senior Member
don't think they were playing any better last year in the CL. they just had a piss poor easy group and then it was porto->man city->roma to the final. apart from city, which are no CL heavy weights and a familiar opponent for them, they haven't been challenged up until the final where real dicked them without breaking a sweat.
best football in the world? yes it's exciting, but not that exciting when you can concede anytime. still think they are sub-par for continental domination, even though shittier teams have won it before.
El Gato
Villarato!
That's a misunderstanding of the effort point. So misrepresented. Liverpool NEED to work hard almost all the time, against teams who fear them and against teams that have more talent. Not every team and every setup requires that. Madrid had 2-3 players fairly successfully not constantly contributing to press. Makes it easier as serghei said, but it's not an exclusive ticket to success, nor is it an absolute value. Mindless effort breeds chaos, partly out of which the current Liverpool was born from. Their many flaws are masked by it. No effort = no nothing for them. No point equating this to Barcelona where you have 2-3 top players who not only aren't keen on constant pressure, but also can't probably keep it up the whole season since they're old. Asking Messi to run like a madman in every game is daft. That said having 4-5 players who are just as old to perform on the same terms is just as daft, particularly when they're average or weren't great defenders in the first place. Raki and Busi bringing back the balance? Lol. I suppose you can put some mayo on your sandwich and pretend it's butter
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That's a misunderstanding of the effort point. So misrepresented. Liverpool NEED to work hard almost all the time, against teams who fear them and against teams that have more talent. Not every team and every setup requires that. Madrid had 2-3 players fairly successfully not constantly contributing to press. Makes it easier as serghei said, but it's not an exclusive ticket to success, nor is it an absolute value. Mindless effort breeds chaos, partly out of which the current Liverpool was born from. Their many flaws are masked by it. No effort = no nothing for them. No point equating this to Barcelona where you have 2-3 top players who not only aren't keen on constant pressure, but also can't probably keep it up the whole season since they're old. Asking Messi to run like a madman in every game is daft. That said having 4-5 players who are just as old to perform on the same terms is just as daft, particularly when they're average or weren't great defenders in the first place. Raki and Busi bringing back the balance? Lol. I suppose you can put some mayo on your sandwich and pretend it's butter
Barcelonas balance is awesome, they simply cant stop winning domestically.
Doesnt matter if they have a couple of attackers that literally dont run, they just win, because they are simply destined to win forever.
serghei
Senior Member
That's a misunderstanding of the effort point. So misrepresented. Liverpool NEED to work hard almost all the time, against teams who fear them and against teams that have more talent. Not every team and every setup requires that. Madrid had 2-3 players fairly successfully not constantly contributing to press. Makes it easier as serghei said, but it's not an exclusive ticket to success, nor is it an absolute value. Mindless effort breeds chaos, partly out of which the current Liverpool was born from. Their many flaws are masked by it. No effort = no nothing for them. No point equating this to Barcelona where you have 2-3 top players who not only aren't keen on constant pressure, but also can't probably keep it up the whole season since they're old. Asking Messi to run like a madman in every game is daft. That said having 4-5 players who are just as old to perform on the same terms is just as daft, particularly when they're average or weren't great defenders in the first place. Raki and Busi bringing back the balance? Lol. I suppose you can put some mayo on your sandwich and pretend it's butter
Don't understand you. You often sound as if you're defending Valverde and think about him as a very good coach, and now you're ridiculing the idea of Busi and Rakitic working together well, which is basically the main idea Valverde's system is built on.
Otherwise, I agree with the comment that you can have systems where the key attributes are not intensity and workrate all around, but order and discipline for example (Atletico, Juventus) or balance and flexibility (Madrid and maybe Bayern). Problem is Barcelona's attributes and system seem to be not as clear. It's basically a combinations of some influences from those types of setups gathered around Messi mostly.
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El Gato
Villarato!
Was pretty clear over the past year you don't understand a lot about the predicament mate. Not keen on getting into any longer discussion with you given that obsession with putting Valverde's name into every other post of yours, even when it's literally not about his issues. Tiresome and useless.
Both of them are expendable, past it and replacements should be found. When have I said any different? Just cuz you don't differentiate between the concept of a manager having to produce a basis from seniors who were average or, at best, good in some aspects of the game, and the intentional misuse of the squad.. what is there to talk about?
serghei
Senior Member
Carry on my friend. I was just noticing some conflicting comments from you, that's all.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
I guess Arthur and Vidal were brought in to sell hot dogs and poor Valverde can't do much about it.
El Gato
Villarato!
31 year old solution to a 30 year old problem and Arthur as a pivot successor? Some visionary you are bro.
messi2140
6racies Xavi
Yes put Coutinho in the mix and you have got a very solid midfield. Rather be a "some visionary" , than part of the Valverde dickrider club spearheaded by 2 Real fans.
El Gato
Villarato!
About as "solid" as a block of ice on a hot plate. Assume most sensible so called dickrider fans wouldn't pull a Rijkaard and put a talented offensive player in front of a defensive block like you suggest.
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