raedkuwait
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Remember also one time when he benched both messi
And naymar and we where laughing at luchio.
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And naymar and we where laughing at luchio.
Marshall D Teach
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Lucho was our only good appointment post-Pep.
If Lucho is our coach, then at half time at Anfield he benches Alba, tells the other players to man the fuck up or get benched, and we win 2-1.
Huge downgrade to go from him to the likes of EV and Setien.
If Lucho is our coach, then at half time at Anfield he benches Alba, tells the other players to man the fuck up or get benched, and we win 2-1.
Huge downgrade to go from him to the likes of EV and Setien.
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JamDav1982
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There were stories of Lucho having issues with Messi and he was losing that battle until Xavi stepped in.
Lucho got huge abuse on here for majority of time in charge as well.
Even then folk like to spin the treble as being on Messi 'deciding' to play RW and it being him who was to get credit for the treble winning tactics.
Bit of revisionism going on if Lucho now being held up as some tough guy boss that put everyone in their place when exact opposite was regularly argued in his time.
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Marshall D Teach
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Lucho wasn't perfect by any means. Still better than anyone else we've hired. If he's tier 2 then Tata, Valverde and Setien are tier 10.
JamDav1982
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He was good for Barca but he had issues with Messi and folk like to make out Messi decided how team played back then.
Now it is spun to him being someone who took no shit from anybody.
FinBarcelonafan
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Hindsight, it probably kept the team performing pretty decent level. I still think we should have won second CL after 2015. We had the best team in the world.
BBZ8800
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Why he didn't do that against Psg 0:4 and Juve 0:3 in a span of 30 days, even though he had MSN and 2 years younger guys than on Anfield?
In 5 away CL matches in 2016/17, we had a goal difference 5:11 against us.
Yet, people keep on repeating how a team started to be a laughing stock in Europe under EV.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
I still don't get why is EV with 2 La Ligas in 2 years in the same sentence as Tata and Setien, lol?
serghei
Senior Member
And you never will.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Also, another question:
In the last 7 seasons, for how long have we played well?
My rating:
13/14 Tata 3/10
14 Lucho 3/10 before January. He was 1 match away from being sacked
January 2015-January 2016, Lucho 10/10
End of 2016 Season, lost to Atletico in a CL with zero ideas and almost blew a 10 point lead infront of RM.
So 5/10 at max.
2016/17: shit 3/10. No La Liga, Psg 0:4, Juve 0:3, plus chaotic and bad football.
2017/18, EV: 7/10
2018/19, EV: 5/10
2019 Autumn EV 3/10
2020 Setien 3/10
My point, in the last 7 seasons, we played 12 Months of a good football under Lucho.
We also had an ok first season under EV.
Lucho's team in 2016 and EV's in 2018/19 were 50:50 good.
Everything else was horrible.
My question:
If in the last 7 seasons, EV's Ernieball and 442 from 2017/18 was our 2nd best team: then what do you even expect from this shitty team?
And only 6 Months ago, our forum was full of posts: we will fly under a new coach and when the biggest cancer in a history of Barca (EV) will leave.
Lol.
Yes, we are really flying lately.
Or: we are 1-2 players away from having an amazing team, lol.
In the last 7 seasons, for how long have we played well?
My rating:
13/14 Tata 3/10
14 Lucho 3/10 before January. He was 1 match away from being sacked
January 2015-January 2016, Lucho 10/10
End of 2016 Season, lost to Atletico in a CL with zero ideas and almost blew a 10 point lead infront of RM.
So 5/10 at max.
2016/17: shit 3/10. No La Liga, Psg 0:4, Juve 0:3, plus chaotic and bad football.
2017/18, EV: 7/10
2018/19, EV: 5/10
2019 Autumn EV 3/10
2020 Setien 3/10
My point, in the last 7 seasons, we played 12 Months of a good football under Lucho.
We also had an ok first season under EV.
Lucho's team in 2016 and EV's in 2018/19 were 50:50 good.
Everything else was horrible.
My question:
If in the last 7 seasons, EV's Ernieball and 442 from 2017/18 was our 2nd best team: then what do you even expect from this shitty team?
And only 6 Months ago, our forum was full of posts: we will fly under a new coach and when the biggest cancer in a history of Barca (EV) will leave.
Lol.
Yes, we are really flying lately.
Or: we are 1-2 players away from having an amazing team, lol.
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bismp
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Lucho was probably the best coach post-Pep,but people tend to remember the good times,like 14-15(which to be honest was one of the best seasons of all time by any club) and the first half of 15-16(which we played even better than 14-15 at times).But,we tend to forget how the whole team collapsed in the end of 15-16 and we got knocked out by Atleti and almost lost La Liga.
And of course, in 16-17 we were atrocious,especially considering we were by far the best team in the world 1-2 years before that.
Tata had a good squad,but let's not forget he was facing prime Atletico and Real Madrid in 2014.If EV was the coach,maybe we would have won La Liga,but still we would get our asses kicked by Atletico in the CL.
As for Setien,it's not fair to judge the guy.Maybe he is indeed the worst of the bunch,but he had to come in the middle of the season,during a very difficult time with all the scandals etc and he had to work with the worst and oldest squad of the last 15 years.
The EV obsession by some people is mind boggling. His only great achievement is winning La Liga comfortably in 17/18 with a rather mediocre squad,although Real wasn't particularly competitive in La Liga that year.He also won the CDR,so congrats to him. We got humiliated by fucking Roma though and we played terrible football all season long. Still,he had a mediocre squad and he comfortably won the double,so we had to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Next year,the squad was strengthened A LOT.We have to give the board credits for that. Compared to 17/18,we had Coutinho,we had a seemingly healthier Dembele,we had a really decent winger in Malcom,we had Vidal,we had a very promising midfielder like Arthur etc. Everyone thought that the team would improve. However,we played the same old boring football most of the time. He completely ignored Malcom, he never managed to integrate Coutinho and he preferred Raki-shit over Athur. We were performing worse in La Liga and we only won the title because we faced the worst Real in a decade. In the CL we were lucky to face Man.United in the QF,instead of a better team,we were EXTREMELY lucky to win 3-0 vs Liverpool in the Camp Nou(instead of a 1-1 or 2-1 or something) and then we experienced the worst night in our modern history,where the supposed mastermind tactician and the motivator of the Amigos did nothing to avert another disaster.The cherry on top was losing in the CDR final.Any sensible fan knew that his time was over. However,the board made a massive mistake and kept him for another season. The future though,was set in stone.
The board did manage to somehow strengthen the team for the 19/20 season. We bought FDJ(the BEST young midfielder in Europe) and we replaced Coutinho with Griezmann. Now it was finally the time for EV to shine. Unfortunately for the EV cult though,the team was WORSE THAN EVER. The cultists try to rewrite history, but the truth is that we played roughly the same with EV at the beginning of the season as we do now
And of course, in 16-17 we were atrocious,especially considering we were by far the best team in the world 1-2 years before that.
Tata had a good squad,but let's not forget he was facing prime Atletico and Real Madrid in 2014.If EV was the coach,maybe we would have won La Liga,but still we would get our asses kicked by Atletico in the CL.
As for Setien,it's not fair to judge the guy.Maybe he is indeed the worst of the bunch,but he had to come in the middle of the season,during a very difficult time with all the scandals etc and he had to work with the worst and oldest squad of the last 15 years.
The EV obsession by some people is mind boggling. His only great achievement is winning La Liga comfortably in 17/18 with a rather mediocre squad,although Real wasn't particularly competitive in La Liga that year.He also won the CDR,so congrats to him. We got humiliated by fucking Roma though and we played terrible football all season long. Still,he had a mediocre squad and he comfortably won the double,so we had to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Next year,the squad was strengthened A LOT.We have to give the board credits for that. Compared to 17/18,we had Coutinho,we had a seemingly healthier Dembele,we had a really decent winger in Malcom,we had Vidal,we had a very promising midfielder like Arthur etc. Everyone thought that the team would improve. However,we played the same old boring football most of the time. He completely ignored Malcom, he never managed to integrate Coutinho and he preferred Raki-shit over Athur. We were performing worse in La Liga and we only won the title because we faced the worst Real in a decade. In the CL we were lucky to face Man.United in the QF,instead of a better team,we were EXTREMELY lucky to win 3-0 vs Liverpool in the Camp Nou(instead of a 1-1 or 2-1 or something) and then we experienced the worst night in our modern history,where the supposed mastermind tactician and the motivator of the Amigos did nothing to avert another disaster.The cherry on top was losing in the CDR final.Any sensible fan knew that his time was over. However,the board made a massive mistake and kept him for another season. The future though,was set in stone.
The board did manage to somehow strengthen the team for the 19/20 season. We bought FDJ(the BEST young midfielder in Europe) and we replaced Coutinho with Griezmann. Now it was finally the time for EV to shine. Unfortunately for the EV cult though,the team was WORSE THAN EVER. The cultists try to rewrite history, but the truth is that we played roughly the same with EV at the beginning of the season as we do now
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bismp
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15/16 would KILL the 17/18 team.
And I really doubt that the 17/18 team would beat the 16/17 or the 13/14 team. Maybe 17/18 was more consistent against La Liga minions,but head to head 13/14 and 16/17 may have been better.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
The xG for Barca v Liverpool semi final was something like 4-4.
The 3-0 win was a closer game than that but decided on individual moments and so to was the 4-0 closer than score line but decided on individual moments.
It is a bit harsh to make out Barca were lucky to win 3-0 then resoundingly battered 4-0 as both games were closer than score lines suggest.
The 3-0 win was a closer game than that but decided on individual moments and so to was the 4-0 closer than score line but decided on individual moments.
It is a bit harsh to make out Barca were lucky to win 3-0 then resoundingly battered 4-0 as both games were closer than score lines suggest.
bismp
Well-known member
It is the job of the team and the coach to protect a 3-0 lead,even if it was lucky in the first place.
FinBarcelonafan
Well-known member
15/16 would KILL the 17/18 team.
And I really doubt that the 17/18 team would beat the 16/17 or the 13/14 team. Maybe 17/18 was more consistent against La Liga minions,but head to head 13/14 and 16/17 may have been better.
Yeah that's bad statement by BBZ.
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