Xaviniesta
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In that video, they’re doing exercises where they turn their body to open up space once they receive the ball. Something Xavi was amazing at. Rakishit is finally learning the basics of being a good midfielder.
.Abidal enjoyed Quique Setién's first training session as Barça coach: "What I have seen today in training are a lot of changes without asking the coach."
Setien has more or less been excellent first 6 months in a new job, so i hope he brings freshness to team. His teams have played nice football, but been also incredibly naive at times, seems that most of people care about CL, well that will hurt bad there. No need to be negative though, lets see what happens, this is totally new situation, especially with Suarez out most of the season as well, will be interesting to see how season progresses.
[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], most of the times you have been voice of reason in this otherwise unreadable trash forum, but you what you are doing now is losing every bit of credibility. Decisions have been made and the least what fans can do is support the new coach and hope for the best. Otherwise you contradict yourself by saying that you only started supporting Valverde, after he started bringing results, well can you at least wait with the critique and see what happens?
But all you people who say playing nice is only thing that matters, what hypocrisy, i bet my balls majority of you jumped on Barca choo choo train after Pep and his incredible success, where we played nice, but also won shitload of trophies. If Pep would have gone trophyless all those years, majority of you would not be fans. Did anyone notice massive increase in Betis or Las Palmas fanbase when Setien was there? I highly doubt it, because they never won anything. So no, just playing nice will not do.
About the last part. I don't really understand the problem if a fan becomes a fan due to a teams exciting football and success. Star players also draw a crowd. Good results too. Team philosophy. Many things..
For example I was drawn to Barca since ronaldinho arrived and have been a fan since.
I don't see any problems with people becoming fans during the Pep era. On the contrary, it means they appreciate good football and don't have blinders on.
Edit: Do you believe many people became fans during Valverde's reign?
I also dont think its a problem how people become fans, i became fan because 92 CL was the first CL competition i saw on TV as a kid. What i do think is problem is people suddenly saying that winning is not important, only playing nice is, while forgetting how they become fans in the first place, but liking a team that played nice, but also won.
I do not think many people became fans during Valverde's reign. You can go look yourself from google trends for example if you look at FC Barcelona keyword. First peak was with Ronaldinho and CL win in 2006, second peak in 2009 with Peps squad. Next peak in 2015 with Luchos treble. There is also peak in 2017, but i think its more related to the attacks that happened in Barcelona. Last peak is also in 2017 late summer with Neymars drama probably having its part. After that it has been steady and slow.
So winning CL is what really boosts your fanbase, most of people globally probably dont care much La Liga, even less for Copa. You start caring about local league wins after you have already become a fan. Only expection being Premier League that has marketed itself very well.
Winning trophies comes with playing nice, most times. There are some examples where defensive teams have some success too, but in general teams who win trophies, also play nice. Now playing nice isn't just one way, teams play nice their own way, but they do play nice. Atletico, by many considered the best defensive team in the past 10 years, have won jack shit, other than that one lucky La Liga title.
I became a Cule in 1999, and I became one because of the way we played and its values, not because of the results, which had the club fighting for CL qualification, and I had to wait until 2006 to see the team actually winning a CL.
Winning trophies comes with playing nice, most times. There are some examples where defensive teams have some success too, but in general teams who win trophies, also play nice. Now playing nice isn't just one way, teams play nice their own way, but they do play nice. Atletico, by many considered the best defensive team in the past 10 years, have won jack shit, other than that one lucky La Liga title.
I became a Cule in 1999, and I became one because of the way we played and its values, not because of the results, which had the club fighting for CL qualification, and I had to wait until 2006 to see the team actually winning a CL.
I think there is a general misconception of what attacking football is. Attacking football does not mean tiki taka, those are 2 different things. I dont know anyone who would not enjoy attacking football among my friends (who are fans of various clubs), but i know alot of people who consider tiki-taka extremely boring, not to mention not that efficient those days. Football evolves constantly.
I have an issue with being possession possessed. If you look at teams who have won CL in recent years, Liverpool, Real etc, none of the clubs care about possession, but they are all attacking teams. Klopp can easily allow his team sit in defense, but once they get the ball (which they often do due to excellent pressing), they are like chasing dogs after rabbit. I have stated this before and i am stating it now as well. Luchos treble winning side was for me the most enjoyable football Barcelona has played, not Peps Barca. Because they were direct, hungry, packed with speed and lots of skill and with only 1 goal, to score and win games. They are not afraid to shoot the ball from distance, they are very quick in transition from defense to attack if needed and they dont necessarily need to walk the ball into goal. What you need for this to actually execute though, is correct combination of youth and experience and technical and fast players. All those teams i previously mentioned had the same quality.
Klopps team has attack trio in their prime years (25-28), who are all gifted technically but also fast and great on ball. Very similar to what Luchos Barca had in MSN, then mixed energy and technical ability in midfield and endlessly energic full-backs, packed with strong defenders, who could pass the ball under pressure.
Now lets look at our squad. Only forward we have who would somewhat go under this category is Griez, rest are too young and unexperienced (Fati, Dembele, Perez) or too old (Messi, Suarez). 4 out of our 6 midfielders are 31-32 and probably not capable of pressing entire game and then we have Arthur who obviously has some fitness health issues and De Jong, who seems to be overplayed, etc. I do not see how we can expect glorious things from this squad unless a dramatic reshape is done, lets hope Setien is the guy who can deliver it.