ini4ever
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Good thing he acknowledges it but talk is cheap lets see how his team react.
Quique Setien
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Good thing he acknowledges it but talk is cheap lets see how his team react.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
With Messi's positioning I think the best system for Barca would be ten Hag's 4-2-1-3 where Messi can have a free role and make his runs forward to the box like Donny van de Beek without screwing Barca over by playing with one less winger.
You also get to play Frenkie in his best position. In a flexible double pivot where he got the freedom to roam.
You get two wingers who can create width and win 1v1 and create from the flanks. You get one CF to occupy the CBs.
What it means is less control, but if you want more control you simply sub out the RW and put Messi there and bring in a midfielder like Arthur.
Something like this:
ter Stegen
Emerson - Athletic CB - CB - Alba
Camavinga - de Jong
Messi
Dembele/Griezmann - CF - Neymar
Suddenly a way faster, way more athletic team that's able to press better, physical double pivot with Fdj and Camavinga and a team that doesn't need Messi to save the way for it to work since it's more balanced by actually playing two players on the flank and a proper CF.
Won't happen IRL, but at least I can do this in FM 20
Guess I'll try again
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X - X - X -X
X - X
X
X- X- X
tS
Emerson - CB - CB - Alba
Camavinga - FdJ
Messi
OD/Griez - Lautaro/LS - Neymar
serghei
Senior Member
This is basically sort of a 4-2-3-1 with a double pivot.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
It can happen in one window, at least the major components of it, but never with this management and board.
Upamecano, Camavinga, Neymar/Great LW, Lautaro, Emerson can be had in one window if you're able to sell well and get rid of the dead weight in the squad that's making a lot of money.
Do I think it will happen? Nope.
Why buy younger, fitter, more physical, more athletic players as well as a proven one if you can buy a bunch of Sevilla and Valencia players?
serghei
Senior Member
Come on, DonAK, you're looking at 350-400m there. Unless there's some oil pipe right underneath the Camp Nou it's not feasible. Replace Neymar with a more low-profile but very good and fast player, like the next Mane, and you could pull it off, just.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Remove Neymar and get another LW then. Doesn't have to be Neymar.
serghei
Senior Member
Yea. The 9 position is vital imo. Suarez can't be replaced by Messi or Griezmann. It's starting to get clearer. Invest the most there, then find a strong fast midfielder.
serghei
Senior Member
Probably. Unless Messi somehow comes back and carries us to another title, and/or Madrid fuck it up. But it doesn't seem to be his season. He looks sluggish as hell.
El Gato
Villarato!
Do the numbers add up?
Lautaro surely would cost you around 100-120.
Neymar another 120-150.
Let's say 30-50 each for the other three.
That's an investment of ~420. If you sell Rakitic, Busquets, Pique and Umtiti and get any more than 150 it'd be a big win and you're still 150M off balancing the book and staying reasonably within FFP margins.
Also again, if you don't end up getting many of them, Messi is 34 next year, Alba is 32. At best you'd end up being able to romp the Liga again, but you'd not likely compete in the CL.
Edit: serghei pointed it out too I guess.
I reckon there's a better solution for faster progression. And it's one nobody likes - let Messi go and the expectations of immediate project to salvage his dying years go away.
I think it's just a dark cloud that will hang over your head for years until somebody's brave enough to kill this.
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DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
The emphasis of the system I'm proposing and like is that
1. You minimize Messi's positional issues
2. You're able to utilize both flanks which we haven't done since 2015
3. You get two athletic midfielders playing in a flexible double pivot like FdJ has mostly done for Ajax and the Netherlands. He'll be able to move freely, more so than if he's a lone CDM.
Makes the team more unpredictable attacking wise, removes some of the positional issues.
For so many years we've been playing without any winger on the right side where we're basically begging for Roberto or Semedo to do everything by themselves. Every team and their dog know that the only way we'll attack is through the middle or through the left flank where now also don't have a proper winger.
Sorin
Well-known member
Well yeah, but that is known. Now Setien has to do with the likes of Fati or Perez who is on the way out anyway.
Both Valverde and the board has set this team to fail in spectacular fashion.
FC433
New member
Werner Griezmann Dembele
Messi
FDJ Arthur
Alba CL CB Semedo
MTS
Neto - Umtiti - Firpo - Roberto - Vidal - Coutinho - Fati
Messi
FDJ Arthur
Alba CL CB Semedo
MTS
Neto - Umtiti - Firpo - Roberto - Vidal - Coutinho - Fati
Pique, Busquets, Rakitic and Suarez must leave, for free if necessary.
There is Aubameyang as another option or L. Martínez and play AG as RF while Dembele as LW.
Either Ruiz or Guendouzi (could include either Umtiti or Alba in the deal)
serghei
Senior Member
If you play with 3 forwards + Messi, Arthur has to go. You need a stronger and faster midfielder there.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
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