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10Rivaldo
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Do you have some sort of agenda against him? The way you follow him around just to make negative comments on his posts is kind of pathetic.
i am only doing it today. you however seem to follow me around the forum for quite a while now.
Plip
Cardenal de Catalunya
Boohoo.
ps. Love you Kev, regardless of not showing up in Maastricht!
pps. Puta madrid.
Gnegneri
immaculately conceived
I can honestly assure the posters you are nto having a case of unrequited love!
Plip, I will come to Estonia! Well ... I'm known for my non-commitment to social things, it's a disaster. I remember it now vaguely though, probably another fuck up by me. Don't take it personally.
On topic again now. I was serious, I don't get the rationale behind it. It's like loaning Hleb cause you don't use him in your team but asking Hleb not to play against the team. Those clauses should be prohibited ...
Plip, I will come to Estonia! Well ... I'm known for my non-commitment to social things, it's a disaster. I remember it now vaguely though, probably another fuck up by me. Don't take it personally.
On topic again now. I was serious, I don't get the rationale behind it. It's like loaning Hleb cause you don't use him in your team but asking Hleb not to play against the team. Those clauses should be prohibited ...
Beast
The Observer
Apart from Kevin- Hammy lovers fight..
the clause is put not because of the player skills but to avoid a player being the cause of Real losing points and turning the fans against him
we don't put a gun to peoples head to accept it and it's working fine for both sides...
If you don't like it well tough luck for you it work brilliantly for us ask Granero and De La Red .. your dead rubber barely play in la liga in the first place unless u sold them
the clause is put not because of the player skills but to avoid a player being the cause of Real losing points and turning the fans against him
we don't put a gun to peoples head to accept it and it's working fine for both sides...
If you don't like it well tough luck for you it work brilliantly for us ask Granero and De La Red .. your dead rubber barely play in la liga in the first place
unless u sold them
Gnegneri
immaculately conceived
I quite find that reason as dull as the clause itself. Real would be pointed to their mistake if the guy plays a good game or even scores, it's a brilliant, and in my opinion the paramount opportunity, to let the player show what he got. Can he convince versus his old team? Is he mentally stable enough to pull that off? Does he have the qualities to hurt the team that didn't want him? Does he still show respect to the club that owns him? Same for the fans: I don't think they will turn against them cause he tried to prove himself versus the club that owns him. If he does turn the fans against him, it means he didn't show any respect and did something bad ... which wouldn't be tolerated when playing in a madrid shirt as well.
The only interference from the owning club should be medical tests. The loan player shouldn't be treated badly or played when not disposing of adequate match fitness. Other than that, the player should be a player of the loaning team as if they bought the player.
It's not about Real by the way. I know other clubs that pull off the same clauses and I absolutely don't like it from those clubs either. Comes across very arrogant.
Beast
The Observer
He can prove himself vs his club rivals..
Just ask Drenthe
Our player our rules , he is happy with the minutes ,we are happy with the experience he is getting and less salary we pay , small clubs get quality they can't afford to buy...
club fans love us for helping them and we can see him tested in 36/37 games it's not like the ultimate test is against his team mates..
if happened before and we are making sure such incidents never occur.. not just scoring but hurting his team mate
the only losing side probably you but you already know that , you find it dull we find it brilliant so is the player new club
Just ask Drenthe
Our player our rules , he is happy with the minutes ,we are happy with the experience he is getting and less salary we pay , small clubs get quality they can't afford to buy...
club fans love us for helping them and we can see him tested in 36/37 games it's not like the ultimate test is against his team mates..
if happened before and we are making sure such incidents never occur.. not just scoring but hurting his team mate
the only losing side probably you
but you already know that , you find it dull we find it brilliant so is the player new club
ricknattery
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I agree
clubs probably do this because they know they haven't treated a player the best way, so that player is dying for proving them wrong. Like that player has a lot of extra-motivation the club prefers just putting that clause in the contract
silky_soccer
Fireman Sam
Mourinho : I owe it all to Fergie
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Jose Mourinho's obvious enthusiasm for management in England is down to Sir Alex Ferguson.
Mourinho was a lowly assistant to Bobby Robson at Barcelona in 1996 when a United delegation, including Ferguson, flew to Catalonia to sign Jordi Cruyff.
Robson had been telling the young Mourinho how a coach in England was much more hands on.
“In Portugal or Spain, it would not be normal for a coach to be involved,” recalls Mourinho in Patrick Barclay's new biography of Sir Alex Ferguson, published this Thursday.
“I realised that England was different. It was a perfect example of what Bobby had been telling me.
“His (Ferguson's) ideas were very clear,” adds Mourinho in 'Football - Bloody Hell!'
“He was fighting hard for his club. And an understanding of that dimension of management made me take an even greater interest in the English game, to fall in love with it even before I came.
“I had always thought that the coach should not just do a training session a day, then go home and watch a couple of videos of the opposition and come in and do the same thing the next day. And here I saw the English style of management - and it was Sir Alex.”
The pair went head-to-head eight years later when United drew FC Porto in the Champions League. United were leading in Portugal, but lost the first leg, with Roy Keane sent off.
“Most people thought Sir Alex was going mad about it after the game,” said Mourinho. “But for me - especially now that I have got to know him - he was not mad. He was starting to play the second game.”
It began in the tunnel. “He and I were walking to the dressing rooms at the same time and he was shaking hands with me but not looking at me because the referee was coming behind us and Alex was complaining in his Scottish accent about the referee's decisions. I didn't interfere. I just let him get on with it.
“At that moment, I think, he felt he was in trouble. Manchester United had gone into the game with respect, of course, but expecting to beat Porto. And now he knew Porto was a team of some resources too.
“And so he started, as I have done all my career - and he's the master at it - to play the next game before it starts. In this case he was trying to create an atmosphere in which his own team would want revenge.
“He went into the press conference, mentioned that Porto had won a few titles and said maybe we had got used to buying them at the supermarket! He was trying to put the knife into his own players while making mine - young boys, mainly, unaccustomed to the Champions League - feel a little low, as if they had not deserved to win.”
Porto prevailed at Old Trafford to go through. Describing the pandemonium in the dressing room, Mourinho says: 'You would have thought we had won the World Cup. And then there was a knock on the door. It was Alex, with Gary Neville. As they came in, everybody fell silent, respectful. The party stopped. The party was over. And, as Gary Neville went round shaking hands with my players, Alex shook hands with me and said that, after the press conference, I was invited to come to his office for a drink.”
Special
“What a special person it was, I thought, who would do anything to win but, if he lost, still do that. At that moment I made a decision. It was that, if I ever came to England, I would follow this example.”
Mourinho arrived at Chelsea soon after and his meetings with Ferguson became commonplace.
“Beforehand,” said Mourinho, “we would play our game with words.
“Then there would be the game on the field. And afterwards - win, lose, draw - our tradition was to have a bottle of wine.
”He started it. He always had one in his office. So I decided it could not always be him and brought a bottle myself, a good one, Portuguese. And that started a competition. Who would bring the best bottle? Who would bring the most expensive?
“He came with a fine Bordeaux, I would retaliate - always with a Portuguese wine - and so it went on.”
Ferguson can be magnanimous in defeat. As Barcelona celebrated their 2009 Champions League victory, Thierry Henry was talking to Patrice Evra when the United manager walked over.
“Well done,” he told Henry. “You deserved it.”
Yet as the inquest began, Ferguson let it be known that something had gone wrong with United's preparation, something that could be put right if the sides met again.
He did not define it. It was as Mourinho said. He was already playing the next game. In case fate was to bring United and Barcelona together again.
Henry speaks of the relationship between his former manager Arsene Wenger and Ferguson. “It was a good rivalry,” he said. “I always compare it to a boxing fight.
“You have two guys trading insults and, at the end, they embrace and say how much they respect each other.
“It's the same when two teams are at the top. The respect was mutual, even though people thought we hated each other and were surprised we could shake hands or exchange shirts.”
That Henry thought Ferguson and Wenger were from the same mould is illustrated by a story he tells in Barclay's book. Wenger had introduced young triallist Kolo Toure to the Arsenal first-team and organised a small practice match. Henry took the ball up to Toure and, not expecting the visitor to know his tricks, tried one.
“Kolo took the ball, man, everything,” said Henry. “The ball soared into the air and was falling just out of play when Arsène trotted after it and snaked out a leg to control it.
“But Kolo was still running furiously and, as the boss trapped the ball, hit him as hard as he'd hit me. Arsene went head over heels. We all stopped and gaped. Then Arsene got up. He had this great big grin on his face. 'Yes,' he said. 'I think we can go to war with this one.' And Kolo joined us.”
It could just as well have been a former United player talking about Ferguson.
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Hes not even hiding it anymore, when Fergie retires, he will literally wank off a Glazier..
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Jose Mourinho's obvious enthusiasm for management in England is down to Sir Alex Ferguson.
Mourinho was a lowly assistant to Bobby Robson at Barcelona in 1996 when a United delegation, including Ferguson, flew to Catalonia to sign Jordi Cruyff.
Robson had been telling the young Mourinho how a coach in England was much more hands on.
“In Portugal or Spain, it would not be normal for a coach to be involved,” recalls Mourinho in Patrick Barclay's new biography of Sir Alex Ferguson, published this Thursday.
“I realised that England was different. It was a perfect example of what Bobby had been telling me.
“His (Ferguson's) ideas were very clear,” adds Mourinho in 'Football - Bloody Hell!'
“He was fighting hard for his club. And an understanding of that dimension of management made me take an even greater interest in the English game, to fall in love with it even before I came.
“I had always thought that the coach should not just do a training session a day, then go home and watch a couple of videos of the opposition and come in and do the same thing the next day. And here I saw the English style of management - and it was Sir Alex.”
The pair went head-to-head eight years later when United drew FC Porto in the Champions League. United were leading in Portugal, but lost the first leg, with Roy Keane sent off.
“Most people thought Sir Alex was going mad about it after the game,” said Mourinho. “But for me - especially now that I have got to know him - he was not mad. He was starting to play the second game.”
It began in the tunnel. “He and I were walking to the dressing rooms at the same time and he was shaking hands with me but not looking at me because the referee was coming behind us and Alex was complaining in his Scottish accent about the referee's decisions. I didn't interfere. I just let him get on with it.
“At that moment, I think, he felt he was in trouble. Manchester United had gone into the game with respect, of course, but expecting to beat Porto. And now he knew Porto was a team of some resources too.
“And so he started, as I have done all my career - and he's the master at it - to play the next game before it starts. In this case he was trying to create an atmosphere in which his own team would want revenge.
“He went into the press conference, mentioned that Porto had won a few titles and said maybe we had got used to buying them at the supermarket! He was trying to put the knife into his own players while making mine - young boys, mainly, unaccustomed to the Champions League - feel a little low, as if they had not deserved to win.”
Porto prevailed at Old Trafford to go through. Describing the pandemonium in the dressing room, Mourinho says: 'You would have thought we had won the World Cup. And then there was a knock on the door. It was Alex, with Gary Neville. As they came in, everybody fell silent, respectful. The party stopped. The party was over. And, as Gary Neville went round shaking hands with my players, Alex shook hands with me and said that, after the press conference, I was invited to come to his office for a drink.”
Special
“What a special person it was, I thought, who would do anything to win but, if he lost, still do that. At that moment I made a decision. It was that, if I ever came to England, I would follow this example.”
Mourinho arrived at Chelsea soon after and his meetings with Ferguson became commonplace.
“Beforehand,” said Mourinho, “we would play our game with words.
“Then there would be the game on the field. And afterwards - win, lose, draw - our tradition was to have a bottle of wine.
”He started it. He always had one in his office. So I decided it could not always be him and brought a bottle myself, a good one, Portuguese. And that started a competition. Who would bring the best bottle? Who would bring the most expensive?
“He came with a fine Bordeaux, I would retaliate - always with a Portuguese wine - and so it went on.”
Ferguson can be magnanimous in defeat. As Barcelona celebrated their 2009 Champions League victory, Thierry Henry was talking to Patrice Evra when the United manager walked over.
“Well done,” he told Henry. “You deserved it.”
Yet as the inquest began, Ferguson let it be known that something had gone wrong with United's preparation, something that could be put right if the sides met again.
He did not define it. It was as Mourinho said. He was already playing the next game. In case fate was to bring United and Barcelona together again.
Henry speaks of the relationship between his former manager Arsene Wenger and Ferguson. “It was a good rivalry,” he said. “I always compare it to a boxing fight.
“You have two guys trading insults and, at the end, they embrace and say how much they respect each other.
“It's the same when two teams are at the top. The respect was mutual, even though people thought we hated each other and were surprised we could shake hands or exchange shirts.”
That Henry thought Ferguson and Wenger were from the same mould is illustrated by a story he tells in Barclay's book. Wenger had introduced young triallist Kolo Toure to the Arsenal first-team and organised a small practice match. Henry took the ball up to Toure and, not expecting the visitor to know his tricks, tried one.
“Kolo took the ball, man, everything,” said Henry. “The ball soared into the air and was falling just out of play when Arsène trotted after it and snaked out a leg to control it.
“But Kolo was still running furiously and, as the boss trapped the ball, hit him as hard as he'd hit me. Arsene went head over heels. We all stopped and gaped. Then Arsene got up. He had this great big grin on his face. 'Yes,' he said. 'I think we can go to war with this one.' And Kolo joined us.”
It could just as well have been a former United player talking about Ferguson.
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Hes not even hiding it anymore, when Fergie retires, he will literally wank off a Glazier..
10Rivaldo
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