Real Madrid (old thread)

[Beast]

It takes a strong man to tell Raul the situation required a more leader role on the bench .
Perez won the election unopposed , Raul had 49 % support last year , fans are excited about the new project , there is a new KIDS in town it was time for him to go .
add to that Manuel needed speed upfront and Higuain came up as the number one striker (and dare i say kinda of homegrown considering he just played 6 month for River first team and was developed here ) for Real .. Higuain bare many similarities with the old Raul and the no 7 himself took him under his wing as his true successor

 

[Hamzah]

higuain is very good.

 

[Metaphysical]

Higuain came up as the number one striker (and dare i say kinda of homegrown considering he just played 6 month for River first team and was developed here )

he was 19/20 when he joined you.

that's too old to be homegrown.

he spent no time in your youth academies.

which is a major criteria for being homegrown.

really, all you did was spend top dollar to sign an astounding young talent (who was always gonna be a world beater) and he's gotten better and better as time has passed. yeah, you have helped him improve but if you saw him in that superclasico way back when, you knew he was destined for awesome.

 

[Beast]

He was 19/20 with not enough professional experience whatsoever apart from a 20/30 games over 2 seasons with River plate...and i saw the super classico and i saw him score twice but so did so many players who failed all over Europe

u take a risk on such player , unproven , not hyped and it took him 2 years to start to provide consistancy last season ..
i said kinda cause both Higuain & Marcelo were just another South American "Could be " like De Fedrico , Detinho..etc u name it .. It wasn't top dollar for Higuain or Marcelo 13 & 6 respectivally isn't top dollar u can get 2 Higuain's from Chag Miss key money
Higuain owe Real Madrid a lot for his development as a top forward IMO than any other club .. but above all his father who guided him well

 

[diegomessi]

im sorry i had to laugh a little at claiming Higuain is home grown talent.... he played 3 seasons in the first team at river (granted very few apps in his first) he grew at madird this is true but to say he is a madrid made player is laughable..

 

[Beast]

What part of "Kinda" you missed during your travels to America as Benj and to Argentina as Diego Messi D'Alessandro Di Stefano ?

 

[diegomessi]

well that just opens up a whole new can of worms... what counts as kinda home grown then? then cristano is kinda a home grown united player as well? does it only apply to age or if the player was not that good then became amazing in a team? i am interested


ps i was traveling as di stefano the same time u were taking care of your wife and children

 

[Gnegneri]

He was 19/20 with not enough professional experience whatsoever apart from a 20/30 games over 2 seasons with River plate...and i saw the super classico and i saw him score twice but so did so many players who failed all over Europe

u take a risk on such player , unproven , not hyped and it took him 2 years to start to provide consistancy last season ..
i said kinda cause both Higuain & Marcelo were just another South American "Could be " like De Fedrico , Detinho..etc u name it .. It wasn't top dollar for Higuain or Marcelo 13 & 6 respectivally isn't top dollar u can get 2 Higuain's from Chag Miss key money
Higuain owe Real Madrid a lot for his development as a top forward IMO than any other club .. but above all his father who guided him well

He developed further in Madrid. That's what you want to say.

Homegrown is something different.

 

[Beast]

well that just opens up a whole new can of worms... what counts as kinda home grown then? then cristano is kinda a home grown united player as well? does it only apply to age or if the player was not that good then became amazing in a team? i am interested


ps i was traveling as di stefano the same time u were taking care of your wife and children

Hi Alfredo

Yeah it is can of worms.. for example i think no one can deny that CR developed @ United even though officially he is a homegrown for Sporting ...
it's not about being amazing (Cause players can suck in other teams ) but developing the player to reach his potential .
for example Busquets moved to Barca when he was 17 or 18 don't we credit Barca for his development ?
do we credit Sao Paulo for Kaka or Milan ? the Kaka of Sao Paulo was a promising lad nothing more, Kaka of Milan was a world beater..
Do we credit Barca for Dinho or Paris Saint Germain ?
u got my drift

He developed further in Madrid. That's what you want to say.

Homegrown is something different.

I said KINDA homegrown not homegrown i know he isn't

 

[Gnegneri]

Confusing terms, man!

Yu just want to call some players kinda homegrown cause Real lacksin that department.

 

[Beast]

Nah i don't care that much about that.. i'd love to have a good portion of homegrown players however if the level isn't good enough during some generations i don't really care (although EMD & Sport map of homegrown in Europe surprised me as i discovered we had more HG than many other top clubs in Europe )
However it's not confusing just ask yourself have you ever attached Dinho with PSG ? Kaka was Sao Paulo ? Zidane with Bordeaux ? Eto'o with Real Madrid ?

 

[Gnegneri]

I don't. (I do associate Zidane with Juventus, though)

That's because they had their greatest success with that club, nothing to do with discovery which is what homegrown is. I don't think Pedro or Busquets are homegrown. They are "kinda homegrown" as they came before they were adults and played sometime with our youth team.

Higuain is just the case like any other. You bought him when he was already 20 (and not 19) and scoring some goals in some games for River Plate. He was not young + you paid big money for him. He developed greatly at Madrid, but that's about it.

 

[Beast]

Development of a player don't require a maximum age, some players play in teams till they are 24 and only achieve greatness and reach their maximum in other clubs.
developing a player for me means helping this player reach his potential or near it .. not just playing him in your youth team and selling him afterwards while he is still as crap as he was couple of years ago .. that's not developing that's just keeping the player IMO

however i understand you want to keep it literally as it's commonly known , i'm not objecting it's the true definition of homegrown i'm just saying it's not just about discovering

 

[Gnegneri]

I associate homegrown with a player that hasn't reached a certain age (14/15 is where I personnally would place the lmiit) and hasn't played for another first team. And certainly doesn't cost millions.

so discovery in the light of where and when he played at a team. Messi isn't discovered by Barcelona for example, but he was only 12 or 13.

 

[FCB_Titi_LB]

the team who gives a player his first A-team (pro) chance gets the tribute for me and this for each possible level/division/quality of a league