Real Madrid (old thread)

[Nándor]

reports in germany claim, that VDV will go back to the HSV this winter. the deal is already done...VDV moves to the HSV on loan, wage and loan costs will be around 2,5m € for the german club.

i think, if true, this won't be the only movement during this winters transfer window.

 

[Beast]

I still don't see the point as to why you're still saying this.... If Valdano was the President, do you think he'd sign CR9, Kaka, and Benzema? Yeah, CR9 and Kaka are impressive signings, but since Valdano is supposedly a good thinker, you'd think that Benzema wouldn't've been bought, amirite? It's a mistake to have Benzema and scratch Negredo in the first place. I hope he stays in Sevilla like he said he planned. It also seems that making Javi Garcia leave is another stupid idea because he's (or at least was) an outstanding performer in Benfica. I'd have to say though that Granero and Arbeloa are the only positive signings of this regime.

Anyway, if I was an RM fan that actually thought that Valdano was the head of this Galactico II project, I would think that Valdano would've fired Pellegrini so he'd be manager. He is "the head" of the project after all, so he should be able to do whatever he wants, right? Then again, it's assuming that he does want to be on the field with the players.

Man, RM's morals are so wrong. I won't respect this club anyway until the Perez/Calderon party leaves and the Hierro/Del Bosque party is re-instated. But it looks like that's not happening any time soon so..... So yeah, expect more complaining from me until that day happens.

I say this because i've been a fan since 1984 and i know a president when i see one.
If you think buying Kaka ,CR & a forward is a bad idea you still have some time before getting the basic grasps of Spanish football & the rivalry between Barca & Real .

Anyone (that includes me ) who is a Real Madrid fan and is going to be a president after last year he would have priority no. 1 , 2 & 3 is to find a way to compete with Barca (that applies to Barcelona supremeo as well ) .
If you try to count on youth team players not only will you kill them and probably end their future but you will also be living in denial cause the team Barca formed can't be beaten or compete with with the likes of Granero,Negredo,Soldado,Miguel Torres YET.
u will buy the available players for you who can compete on this level and those are indeed CR , Kaka,Xabi Alonso ..etc
As for Benzema u mention it as if he was first choice ?! he wasn't , he was third choice after Villa and Forlan (if you believe Atletico Madrid president ) . Benzema is crap atm with Real but his potential for scouts and manager was great it's not like they bought a player with no promise.
That's why you (as Barca ) , Man U ..etc were after him , it's a known fact i always said he is good but overrated by the British Media but he isn't crap and still young.
And before u repeat for the 12413526246 46464646 times that Real should have kept Negredo i'll repeat myself that Negredo is a totally different player than Benzema . Negredo is a pure no. 9 a natural replacement for Ruud Van Nistelrooy (who the club couldn't then didn't want to sell due to his service to the club , records and the fact that he just have one year left in his contract so the "sale with buyback option " was the best thing for Ruud ,Negredo & the club ) when u compare Negerdo & Benzema it's like comparing Xabi Alonso and Mamadou Diarra .. different style of players .
Javi Garcia was given more chances then any other players from the youth last 2 years and he failed every single time , just because he is awesome with Benfica doesn't mean he will be awesome with Real it's the fact that he is playing within his "LEVEL " of skill , Saviola is taking the Portuguese league by storm but it doesn't mean he would replace any of Real or Barca strikers .

Wrong again , Valdano was the one who fought for Pellegrini (i posted the link dating back to April 09 in this thread ,here i found the link http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/futbol-pellegrini-opcion-valdano/dasftb/20090401dasdaiftb_15/Tes ) and he had him as first choice even ahead of Wenger , he got his man and the reason Pellegrini is still doing the training this morning is Valdano plane and simple
Valdano finished his training period (successfully ) moved up as a director of football for RM then VP for Real and now his title is the General Manager of Real Madrid it's been 14/15 years since he last coached us and introduced Raul in the process .

Del Bosque won't work under Perez again he made it clear and he is not interested in the job as a club manager anymore , he refused several offers from Real Madrid *under Calderon * and other clubs in the last few years after he left Turkey in 04 , he worked as a consultant for Cadiz and he will retire after his time with Spain , Hierro prefer the upper managerial level and he is currently the director of football for the Spanish national teams his future would normally be like Valdano or Butregano not on the pitch

I think Manu should stay. Perez is right. he needs time to work out the kinks in his system and get Cristiano back. Plus, rather than investing in defense that would give RMadrid a better chance of winning a tourney or two, CR is the face of Armani.

thank freaking goodness.

this has nothing to do with CR Armani deal , it's a side thing

 

[gvt2000]

AS's list of candidates to substitude Manuel: Laudrup, Spalletti, Luis Aragones, Mancini, Juande, Van basten, Victor fernandez, Scolari, Donadoni and, of course, Valdano.

Also: AS suggests that Florentino's words supporting Manuel are the works of valdano. It goes on to say that, had it not been for Valdano, Manuel would've been sacked this week.

 

[Beast]

Which goes in line with what i said to fatchoco

Guti birdy is causing an uproar , the club was right to sanction him

Gines Carvajal has started promoting his client Raul (he is also Valdes agent ) as a manager saying he has the soul of a manager

the CR dependency is quite a worry and we need to fix that in the coming 3 month

 

[Poor_Sunyol]

I thought the club had decided against sanctioning him?

 

[Beast]

No they sanctioned him

Poll on AS who do u prefer to replace Pellegrini :

Rafa Benitez : 37 %
Michael Laudrup : 23 %
Victor Fernandez : 17 %
Juande Ramos : 11 %
Luis Aragones : 7 %
Scolari : 3 %
Van basten : 2 %
Mancini :1 %
Spaletti : 1 %
Donadoni : 1 %

clear the fans prefer an ex-Madrid man

 

[gvt2000]

Im quite surprised with Juande being 4th and half-expected Aragones to be one of the favorites. The only manager that would have the balls to bench raul in that list is Aragones.

 

[Beast]

Im quite surprised with Juande being 4th and half-expected Aragones to be one of the favorites. The only manager that would have the balls to bench raul in that list is Aragones.

Juande made good results with a weak team and he is Spanish and the majority wanted him to stay (weak majority but still )

Aragones is an Atletico Madrid legend , he is a rojablanco through & through .. there is no way they would allow him to take over Real , needless to mention he seriously crack under club pressure you (Barca ) have experienced that first hand .. he is ok coaching non-top teams without the daily pressure or even national teams with 10 games or something a season

Same Poll @ Marca got different results considerably

1- Michael Laudrup 28 %
2- Luis Aragones 22 %
3- Valdano 21 %
4- Victor Fernandez 17 %
5- Eriksson 4 %
6- Mancini & Spaletti 3 %
7- Donadoni 2 %

seems like Rafa votes went to Aragones
Also Opare our Ghanaian right full back and under 20 WC champion has joined the first team training for the first time

Also Perez replied to the questions about Pellegrini in Alicante as follows:

"If anything I've learned is that one must turn aside his passion. We have to let the pros work with patience and not rely on results every day," said Real Madrid president.

"Real Madrid is an institution so big that not everything can be conditional, however humiliating it is, like the result of yesterday," he said.

He also acknowledged that the team is not at the level he wants yet, but noted," calmly "Real Madrid" will get better. "

 

[Rulz]

Please oh PLEASE get either Rafa or Aragones. That way you can win all the Emmys for 'best new comedy' which should compliment CRs 'face of Armani' well.

 

[IrvDizzle]

interesting polls.

no love for Hugo Sanchez?

 

[gvt2000]

According to Sport, Sacking Pelegrini would cost madrid 11 million euros. Considering madrid payed a 4 million euro clause to villareal, signing pelegrini only to sack him a few months later would be a considerable monetary hit.

Edit:

 

[beef-supreme]

Which goes in line with what i said to fatchoco

Guti birdy is causing an uproar , the club was right to sanction him

 

[veryfatchocobo]

I still don't wee how Granero, Soldado, Negredo, Javi Garcia, Miguel Torres, etc. can't beat us when we can beat you with Pique, Messi, Valdes, Iniesta, and Busquets. I mean, your Castilla beats our cantera a lot, so there must be possible world class players there who're possibly better than the stars Perez always buys. Negredo beat your team, and Sevilla used their cantera, too. I can't see how he couldn't possibly beat my team, either. He is good enough to do that, especially with the superstars on your team. Besides, RM have always had a decent showing of their own youth in the first team. That's been lost since the Perez/Calderon era. It's seeming to come back, but I see a guillotine over Granero's and Miguel Torres's heads right now.

Giving Javi Garcia one chance every five games can't improve his form @_@. The pressure was on the whole team though. Perhaps he couldn't handle it at his age yet. You're right in this aspect.

I didn't say CR9 and Kaka were bad signings at all. In fact, they're impressive signings like I said in my post. I said this from the previous post because I do know how La Liga works. I still say Benzema is bad because you perfectly know he's overrated. We knew he was overrated even, which is why he isn't in our club in the first place (shock surprise arty00231. I don't see the point of buying a forward when you already have a worldclass performer in the squad already, but that's just my mentality.

Besides, Negredo being a No. 9 is just another reason why you should've kept him. Benzema is more of a supporting striker, and putting two of the same strikers isn't working right now, is it? You have to drop Raul or Benzema, and the dropped man has to be Benzema. CR9 can also compete for that spot. And I'm not the only person who says that you guys need a #9 (yay Meta). It's not rocket science to know that RVN isn't a starter because consecutive knee injuries always follow another year to fully regain true fitness. He's old, also. Yeah, I just repeated Negredo > Benzema again.

You killed me with the Valdano post..... I must applaud your love of your club.

 

[Beast]

I still don't wee how Granero, Soldado, Negredo, Javi Garcia, Miguel Torres, etc. can't beat us when we can beat you with Pique, Messi, Valdes, Iniesta, and Busquets. I mean, your Castilla beats our cantera a lot, so there must be possible world class players there who're possibly better than the stars Perez always buys. Negredo beat your team, and Sevilla used their cantera, too. I can't see how he couldn't possibly beat my team, either. He is good enough to do that, especially with the superstars on your team. Besides, RM have always had a decent showing of their own youth in the first team. That's been lost since the Perez/Calderon era. It's seeming to come back, but I see a guillotine over Granero's and Miguel Torres's heads right now.
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In your case it's easy man , u play with the same system (4-3-3 ) from the early age in La Masia , Real don't have that and that's one of the reasons they wanted Wenger to oversee all aspects of the club and the best next thing was Pellegrini .
u can get anyone from the age of 17 put him in the first team and u have the same tactical scheme / movement they did since they joined Barca as kids so their adaption is quicker
And u can't throw them into the first in a professional game especially the level they play in even Xavi,Puyol,Pique..etc were introduced gradually with older senior players , relying on a youth that much to compete with the level Barca have shown is a career killer IMO
I believe in our youth and god knows (and people around here remember and used to laugh at me ) how much i advocated Soldado & De La Red even before they became known players but the level required to compete with Barca is not the level found in the youth system yet

Giving Javi Garcia one chance every five games can't improve his form @_@. The pressure was on the whole team though. Perhaps he couldn't handle it at his age yet. You're right in this aspect.

He was a disappointment even to me .. but i'm glad he found his feet in Benfica and doing well

I didn't say CR9 and Kaka were bad signings at all. In fact, they're impressive signings like I said in my post. I said this from the previous post because I do know how La Liga works. I still say Benzema is bad because you perfectly know he's overrated. We knew he was overrated even, which is why he isn't in our club in the first place (shock surprise arty00231. I don't see the point of buying a forward when you already have a worldclass performer in the squad already, but that's just my mentality.

even @ Villarreal Manu don't use the traditional no 9 that much , his old starters were Nihat and Rossi (since he dropped Roman then Forlan and switched to 4-2-2-2 ) both the type of Benzema,Higuain and even Raul (lacks pace ) but not Ruud,Negredo type .
the reason i said we must make a total make over is teams like Barca or Real cannot and will not let the other team dominate .. the more superior one of them become the more top class players u will need to get and quickly before a season of domination becomes an era (that's basically what i meant by how it works )

Besides, Negredo being a No. 9 is just another reason why you should've kept him. Benzema is more of a supporting striker, and putting two of the same strikers isn't working right now, is it? You have to drop Raul or Benzema, and the dropped man has to be Benzema. CR9 can also compete for that spot. And I'm not the only person who says that you guys need a #9 (yay Meta). It's not rocket science to know that RVN isn't a starter because consecutive knee injuries always follow another year to fully regain true fitness. He's old, also. Yeah, I just repeated Negredo > Benzema again.

man i love Negredo and he will have a great future next year but as i explained Manu idea is more mobile forwards (Benzema,Higuain,Villa, Raul )than the Ruud,Huntelaar & Negredo's , we agree Benzema is overrated but on paper he is the kind of forward Manu wanted
they could have released Ruud but he is so much loved in Madrid and a model pro and everyone know he has goals in him so it would benefit the team keeping a predator with the highest goal conversion rate (the last season he played ) in Europe .. u saw he scored in his debut

You killed me with the Valdano post..... I must applaud your love of your club

thanks man , much respect :beer2:

 

[IrvDizzle]

I say this because i've been a fan since 1984 and i know a president when i see one.
If you think buying Kaka ,CR & a forward is a bad idea you still have some time before getting the basic grasps of Spanish football & the rivalry between Barca & Real .

Anyone (that includes me ) who is a Real Madrid fan and is going to be a president after last year he would have priority no. 1 , 2 & 3 is to find a way to compete with Barca (that applies to Barcelona supremeo as well ) .
If you try to count on youth team players not only will you kill them and probably end their future but you will also be living in denial cause the team Barca formed can't be beaten or compete with with the likes of Granero,Negredo,Soldado,Miguel Torres YET.
u will buy the available players for you who can compete on this level and those are indeed CR , Kaka,Xabi Alonso ..etc
As for Benzema u mention it as if he was first choice ?! he wasn't , he was third choice after Villa and Forlan (if you believe Atletico Madrid president ) . Benzema is crap atm with Real but his potential for scouts and manager was great it's not like they bought a player with no promise.
That's why you (as Barca ) , Man U ..etc were after him , it's a known fact i always said he is good but overrated by the British Media but he isn't crap and still young.
And before u repeat for the 12413526246 46464646 times that Real should have kept Negredo i'll repeat myself that Negredo is a totally different player than Benzema . Negredo is a pure no. 9 a natural replacement for Ruud Van Nistelrooy (who the club couldn't then didn't want to sell due to his service to the club , records and the fact that he just have one year left in his contract so the "sale with buyback option " was the best thing for Ruud ,Negredo & the club ) when u compare Negerdo & Benzema it's like comparing Xabi Alonso and Mamadou Diarra .. different style of players .
Javi Garcia was given more chances then any other players from the youth last 2 years and he failed every single time , just because he is awesome with Benfica doesn't mean he will be awesome with Real it's the fact that he is playing within his "LEVEL " of skill , Saviola is taking the Portuguese league by storm but it doesn't mean he would replace any of Real or Barca strikers .

Wrong again , Valdano was the one who fought for Pellegrini (i posted the link dating back to April 09 in this thread ,here i found the link http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/futbol-pellegrini-opcion-valdano/dasftb/20090401dasdaiftb_15/Tes ) and he had him as first choice even ahead of Wenger , he got his man and the reason Pellegrini is still doing the training this morning is Valdano plane and simple
Valdano finished his training period (successfully ) moved up as a director of football for RM then VP for Real and now his title is the General Manager of Real Madrid it's been 14/15 years since he last coached us and introduced Raul in the process .

Del Bosque won't work under Perez again he made it clear and he is not interested in the job as a club manager anymore , he refused several offers from Real Madrid *under Calderon * and other clubs in the last few years after he left Turkey in 04 , he worked as a consultant for Cadiz and he will retire after his time with Spain , Hierro prefer the upper managerial level and he is currently the director of football for the Spanish national teams his future would normally be like Valdano or Butregano not on the pitch

this has nothing to do with CR Armani deal , it's a side thing

I think I learn more in your posts than I do reading BBC/SkySports/Soccernet combined.

and the CR Armani/deal is a symbol of why everything is falling apart on the pitch.