Robert Gonçalves Santos

[xXKonan]

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[Darko]

Or we could just...you know...buy young AND actually talented players for our B team?
If only we had someone at Barca who's job is to go to football matches and watch young promising players...

 

[khaled_a_d]

Or we could just...you know...buy young AND actually talented players for our B team?
If only we had someone at Barca who's job is to go to football matches and watch young promising players...

Halilovic?D.Suarez? and who said he isn't talented for Barca B?

 

[Clockwise]

Or we could just...you know...buy young AND actually talented players for our B team?
If only we had someone at Barca who's job is to go to football matches and watch young promising players...

At least we didn't go after Joe

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

Why not scout in Europe instead? Netherlands, France, Belgium, Germany, Portugal etc. I am sure there are plenty of talents playing in u19 teams that would be delighted to join Barca B with additional UEFA Youth League games and the opportunity to play for the first team in the future.
Instead they are going for South American players for the B team. Unnecessary risk imo.

 

[xXKonan]

Francesc Aguilar a MD Journalist sort of ranted a little bit on twitter a couple of days ago on that as well. He wondered why recently we are targeting these young Brazilian players from outside Europe and instead of Scouting out others in like you Said in the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Germany, Portugal etc.

While the Robert deal is a low risk one but I also Theorize.

With The Board's obvious Connections in Brazil (Shady stuff included) They want to find another Gem like Neymar. While Yes we had Brilliant Brazilian players like Ronaldinho,Romario,Ronaldo,Rivaldo,Alves etc Play for us but they played for some teams in Europe before we signed them and not from Brazil like Neymar.

This summer we paid 9 Million? Euros for Three players at Fluminese to have First Option on them.

1.Gerson

2.Kenedy

3. Marlon Santos

All three were Considered Big Prospects in Brazil, Marlon was considered the Next "Thiago Silva". So we spent most of the summer trying to Get Gerson, for January for the First team (Really don't know why as he really wasn't remotely ready or shown that he could play for the best team in the world Barcelona). Kenedy eventually signed with Chelsea, and as you know Gerson signed with Roma towards the end of the Transfer window.

Going by the Globo Article and the Sport one as well we have been following Robert for awhile now. With Barcelona B, Desperately needed some attacking power in and other players it wouldn't surprise me if due to us failing to Land Gerson in the Transfer window The Board and the scouts in Brazil just thought of Robert as a Alternative signing to Gerson and obviously like I said above with the problems the B team has right now they Decided to get Robert on Loan.

After thinking about this for the last couple of days and Rereading the Globo and Sport article,Both Articles state Robert is being Brought in to Reinforce the B team but also will Switch back in forth between the Main team and B team as well.

I do think this is pretty much to Make up for the Failed Gerson transfer. Except in this case Robert is coming on loan to play for the B team with a good chance of him playing for the Main team if he indeed impresses.

Gerson was suppose to be brought in for the Main team and train with the Main group for the next Six months due to the Transfer ban and to be loaned out to a La Liga club to get time in Experience in the League before coming back to Barcelona.

But Obviously that didn't pan out so We got Robert instead and on Loan for the B team with high hopes he could be that alternative to Gerson.

Well I'm probably reading into this way to much but that's my expanded thoughts after I thought about it more.

 

[Jombi]

Gerson and Marlon have both been utter rubbish for Flu this season and one of the main reasons they were only 4 points away from relegation. Gerson scored 1 goal in 29 games playing in Messi's position and in his last game he managed to get a second yellow after 20 minutes, lol.

It's really odd to see us and Roma go after these players who are playing absolutely terrible in Brazil. Why not go for someone who at least are some of the best in Brazil?

 

[xXKonan]

I never heard of Gerson admittedly Until we were first Linked to him.

The whole Gerson thing was just strange at when you really look at it (Well the Plans and Idea).

I thought at First we would buy him for the B team considering he was only 18 years old, But once these Reports started coming out he was Supposedly being brought in for the First team instead which got a lot of us really wondering why?

He's Considered a Bright Prospect in Brazil,But the whole plan of ours for him didn't make any sense. for the amount of money Fluminese wanted I would've rather us invested it in someone like Youri Tielemans instead.

Roma in the end got caught up in the Madness and ended up Paying around 17-23? million Euros for Gerson. Not saying Gerson would end up being a bad player but it really didn't make any sense to Buy him for the First team at his age considering we have Players like Halilović who's just a mere year older than he is and has shown more Potential.

With the Robert Deal at least it's a loan and he's playing for the B team mainly.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Why not scout in Europe instead? Netherlands, France, Belgium, Germany, Portugal etc. I am sure there are plenty of talents playing in u19 teams that would be delighted to join Barca B with additional UEFA Youth League games and the opportunity to play for the first team in the future.
Instead they are going for South American players for the B team. Unnecessary risk imo.

Francesc Aguilar a MD Journalist sort of ranted a little bit on twitter a couple of days ago on that as well. He wondered why recently we are targeting these young Brazilian players from outside Europe and instead of Scouting out others in like you Said in the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Germany, Portugal etc.

While the Robert deal is a low risk one but I also Theorize.

With The Board's obvious Connections in Brazil (Shady stuff included) They want to find another Gem like Neymar. While Yes we had Brilliant Brazilian players like Ronaldinho,Romario,Ronaldo,Rivaldo,Alves etc Play for us but they played for some teams in Europe before we signed them and not from Brazil like Neymar.

This summer we paid 9 Million? Euros for Three players at Fluminese to have First Option on them.

1.Gerson

2.Kenedy

3. Marlon Santos

All three were Considered Big Prospects in Brazil, Marlon was considered the Next "Thiago Silva". So we spent most of the summer trying to Get Gerson, for January for the First team (Really don't know why as he really wasn't remotely ready or shown that he could play for the best team in the world Barcelona). Kenedy eventually signed with Chelsea, and as you know Gerson signed with Roma towards the end of the Transfer window.

Going by the Globo Article and the Sport one as well we have been following Robert for awhile now. With Barcelona B, Desperately needed some attacking power in and other players it wouldn't surprise me if due to us failing to Land Gerson in the Transfer window The Board and the scouts in Brazil just thought of Robert as a Alternative signing to Gerson and obviously like I said above with the problems the B team has right now they Decided to get Robert on Loan.

After thinking about this for the last couple of days and Rereading the Globo and Sport article,Both Articles state Robert is being Brought in to Reinforce the B team but also will Switch back in forth between the Main team and B team as well.

I do think this is pretty much to Make up for the Failed Gerson transfer. Except in this case Robert is coming on loan to play for the B team with a good chance of him playing for the Main team if he indeed impresses.

Gerson was suppose to be brought in for the Main team and train with the Main group for the next Six months due to the Transfer ban and to be loaned out to a La Liga club to get time in Experience in the League before coming back to Barcelona.

But Obviously that didn't pan out so We got Robert instead and on Loan for the B team with high hopes he could be that alternative to Gerson.

Well I'm probably reading into this way to much but that's my expanded thoughts after I thought about it more.

1-We got the money we paid from 1st options on Gerson & Kennedy .those types of deal seem shady I agree but on the other hand it isn't that bad for the club and European clubs won't do it .you buy him or not

2-We do a lot of scouting at the B team level in Spain ,many transfers are done that way .most of the transfers this year has been done that way

3-I don't remember we signed any Brazilian for B team recently .and we have done plenty of signings from Europe
Alen Halilovic(Croatia) ,Agostinho Cá,Edgar Ié(Portugal),Diawandou Diagné (Belgium)

4-We had plenty of European prospects in the lower ranks b4 and even now

Gerson and Marlon have both been utter rubbish for Flu this season and one of the main reasons they were only 4 points away from relegation. Gerson scored 1 goal in 29 games playing in Messi's position and in his last game he managed to get a second yellow after 20 minutes, lol.

It's really odd to see us and Roma go after these players who are playing absolutely terrible in Brazil. Why not go for someone who at least are some of the best in Brazil?

Couple of things
1-It is really irrelevant to talk about club performance when talking about prospects ,Varane came from a club that was relegated in France .
Also if the table in transfermarkt is correct they finished 13th out of 20 ,5 points ahead of last relegated team (4 teams get relegated) and 4 points from 10th place .that is more mid-table team than bottom team

2-Gerson was followed by many clubs not just us and Roma ,Juve was highly interested too .I think couple of other teams was linked as well but can't remember them
Marlon is linked to many clubs as well ,Kenedy moved to Chelsea
All those clubs probably see something at them ,obviously good chance they are just wrong .but considering we at least didn't pay 15M or something for them and got most of our money back .I don't think we should complain that much

3-Some of the best in Brazil will be costly nowadays

 

[Jombi]

1-It is really irrelevant to talk about club performance when talking about prospects ,Varane came from a club that was relegated in France .
Also if the table in transfermarkt is correct they finished 13th out of 20 ,5 points ahead of last relegated team (4 teams get relegated) and 4 points from 10th place .that is more mid-table team than bottom team

2-Gerson was followed by many clubs not just us and Roma ,Juve was highly interested too .I think couple of other teams was linked as well but can't remember them
Marlon is linked to many clubs as well ,Kenedy moved to Chelsea
All those clubs probably see something at them ,obviously good chance they are just wrong .but considering we at least didn't pay 15M or something for them and got most of our money back .I don't think we should complain that much

3-Some of the best in Brazil will be costly nowadays

Fair enough, but I dont think it is irrelevant to talk about club performance when these two were some of the worst players on that mediocre team. Its not like Gerson was a bright spot for Flu. 1 single goal in 29 games in Brazil is bad considering he plays in Messi's position. I think it is very fishy that we are interested in these players. Thank goodness we dodged that Gerson bullet.

Some of the best talents in Brazil shouldnt be that costly considering the terrible financial situation most of the clubs there are in at the moment and the economic crisis going on in Brazil.

 

[xXKonan]

Great points khaled_a_d!

In the end I'm hoping Robert Impresses for the B team and helps them avoid Regulation. and it would be nice to another Gem (Assuming he impresses a lot during his time here) for 7 Million that's not a bad deal at all.

 

[xXKonan]

Found this blog Post on ESPN thought it was a Solid read.

Fluminense midfielder Robert could be shrewd investment for Barcelona

Barcelona are this week expected to confirm the signing of young attacking midfielder Robert Goncalves on a one-year loan from Brazilian side Fluminense. The 19-year-old will join up with the club's B team for an extended trial that may result in a permanent move and eventual promotion to the first team if he impresses sufficiently at the Mini Estadi.

Robert grew up in Sao Goncalo in the interior of Rio de Janeiro state, where he was spotted by a scout from Fluminense when he was nine. He rapidly established himself as one of the best players in their academy by starring for their youth sides and later performing well for Brazil at both Under-15 and Under-17 levels. Internacional and Santos both showed strong interest prior to him signing his first professional contract with the club in September of 2012.

He was just 17 when he made his first-team debut in a brief substitute appearance away to Bahia in late 2013, but has struggled to build on that early introduction to senior football. Ongoing muscle problems, the after-effects of a serious car crash, a bout of hepatitis and a fractured foot have all since cut into his playing time. He did not appear at all during 2014 and made just four substitute appearances during the recently-concluded 2015 campaign.

In youth football, Robert was a bright, inventive and decisive attacking midfielder, capable of linking attacks together in the final third, opening up defences with his silky skills and striking good efforts on goal. And while at senior level he is still a technically-accomplished performer who combines well in tight spaces and is highly skilled on the dribble, he has yet to receive the run of games necessary to play with that same sharpness and incision.

Indeed, his limited minutes to date have largely been characterised by his tendency to dawdle too long in possession and to attempt the spectacular when a simpler action would be more appropriate. These traits are perhaps understandable given his inexperience and the frustrations of the past two years, but are not ones that tend to go down well with either supporters or teammates.

There have also been questions over his attitude. Fluminense coach Eduardo Baptista said last month that he would like to see Robert push himself more in training in order to develop into the player he believes the 19-year-old is capable of becoming. While his teammates were annoyed by his dressing-room manner following his well-taken late goal in the 3-1 defeat away to Santos in October. His jubilation clashed with the downbeat mood of a squad preoccupied by the defeat and their club's lowly position in the league table.

In the circumstances, it is no surprise that Barcelona have sought the opportunity to assess his ability, desire and fitness at close quarters prior to making the move permanent.

There are many occasions on which it can be argued that a move to Europe at such a young age is one that has come too soon, but in Robert's case a change of scenery might be just what he needs to regain some momentum. For various reasons, his career has stalled and the collective and system-based approach of the Barcelona B team could be the catalyst to find the required focus to push on and become a decisive, team-oriented player.

Robert has shown flashes of talent. But even if he's given consistent and successful development, he still looks a few years away from being a player capable of making up part of Barcelona's first-team squad. If the deal is made permanent at the end of 2016, he would still be likely to need another half-year in the B team followed by a top-flight loan elsewhere before he would be ready for such a promotion.

It should be noted this is not the only piece of business that Barcelona have recently done with Fluminense. They previously held first-option agreements for Kenedy (now of Chelsea) and Gerson (Roma-bound in January) and continue to have such a deal in place for Marlon, a physically-impressive 20-year-old centre-back. Robert is less established, but the structure of the deal means that the club are well-covered if things do not go to plan.

The next couple of years will be key in determining what sort of career Robert goes on to have from here. He has an interesting set of attributes but has not yet been able to put them to as good a use at senior level as he did during his youth career. For Barcelona he represents a development project with a good amount of potential upside. And if he takes well to the club and their style of play, one that could yet turn out to be a shrewd investment.

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/scouts-n...bert-could-be-shrewd-investment-for-barcelona

 

[Ghostmaster]

Fluminense midfielder Robert (19) will start training with Barcelona B on Monday. The Brazilian joins on loan, with 6M buy option. [rac1]

The loan of Fluminense midfielder Robert (19) to Barcelona B will be for one year, until December 2016. [rac1]

 

[xXKonan]

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*19 Barcastuff messed up on his age.

 

[xXKonan]

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Seems like a good kid. I was reading some Comments from Fluminese fans and they think he has the Potential and skills to make it in Europe, he just needs Proper game time and they think him going on loan here will help out.

Fluminense fans also weren't happy how their club was treating some of it's younger players recently as in Buying in Older long passed it players like Wellington Paulista,Gum etc and playing them Over players like Robert.