Marshall D Teach
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I do get the feeling the 3-5-2 isn't going to work forever.
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serghei
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It depends a lot on how good and consistent Dembele is. Because he is basically the only striker. He was good in these 2 games vs Sevilla. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess.
Kul_z
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1 remontada done, 2 more to go
Its on dawgs. Pieces are moving, blitzkrieg incoming
i_bleed_blaugrana
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It is very situational and dependent on the other teams setup and formation. Honestly, I am rather surprised we did not see this from the beginning with him. Both Everton & Southampton under him used 3/5 back systems and he had success with those formations.
It does an excellent job of limiting exposure on offensive transitions and allows the general lack of pace in the squad to be mitigated somewhat. Considering the manner in which we were losing big matches like these (defensive mistakes, being exposed on the counter) it is a sound adjustment from Koeman. Key thing for me too is that it creates more threat for us when we do switch into a 4-3-3. When he subbed Dest for Greizmann, Sevilla had to adjust to that tweak and it was key in tilting the game in our favor.
Against PSG, at the very least, they would not just beat us alone off of a long ball for Mbappe to run on to or a 5 on 3 counter like in the first leg. Their form still is not impressive domestically. We will see, our chances come down to whether or not PSGs midfield can keep control of the match again. If they have long spells on the ball, they can kill the tie off if it’s still 0-0 at say halftime.
On the board from a tactical perspective though, if PSG lineup in a flat 4-5-1 again, the wingers have to go with our fullbacks or we will overwhelm them. It is not just the width in attack, it is the space that Dembeles runs open up for Messi between the lines. It will stretch PSGs MF a lot as well so tactically, Poch does not have a choice but to drop the wingers for the fullbacks and that gives us a 1 v 3 at the back, allowing us a better chance to pin them back. That is our chance here but we need to get at least a goal in the first half. I think it is worth trying in the first half here and then switching into the 4-3-3 like he did against Sevilla to see if how they react.
That said, if we do get that goal and get it early, I can see them unraveling. They did not respond to the goal from Messi well at all and took about 10-15 minutes to stabilize and given the history and our form right now, we should not rule it out right now.
We should not be disappointed if we do not come back against Paris though and I would not get my hopes up too much for it. Even if we do, the CL is not the objective. Being competitive is so I just want us to play well and not get embarrassed again. If we play well and only win 2-0, I will be ok with that.
Ustari
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Remember that Quique Setien was also using the same formation with us during his early days
JamDav1982
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The formation is just an option and the game was won yesterday in latter stages going back to a 433.
Xaviniesta
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Finally a manager who realizes pressing is important
Finally a manager who realizes pressing is important
xXKonan
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It's all about execution.
Seiten's 3-5-2 vs Valencia when we lost 2-0 was something like this.
Mats Lenglet-Pique-Roberto Alba-Arthur-Busi-FDJ-Fati Griezmann-Messi or something like that. and Yeah it was pretty brutal, It was slow static.
Vs Koemans.
Mats Lenglet-Pique-Mingueza Alba-Pedri-Busi-FDJ-Dest Dembele-Messi.
Much better at pressing and covering up the flaws of certain players and overall much defensively stable. A difference in some Personel and a much better execution as well.
Seiten's 3-5-2 vs Valencia when we lost 2-0 was something like this.
Mats Lenglet-Pique-Roberto Alba-Arthur-Busi-FDJ-Fati Griezmann-Messi or something like that. and Yeah it was pretty brutal, It was slow static.
Vs Koemans.
Mats Lenglet-Pique-Mingueza Alba-Pedri-Busi-FDJ-Dest Dembele-Messi.
Much better at pressing and covering up the flaws of certain players and overall much defensively stable. A difference in some Personel and a much better execution as well.
When was the last time the 3-5-2 had actual success in World Football? I recall Brazil 02 having this setup.
Inter Milan right now are leading Serie A with a 352. Of course energy levels in Serie A are lower.
Lyon had a nice run in the CL last season with 352 despite lower individual quality.
With the right personal the modern 352 may be the natural evolution to counter act the modern 433, just as that very 433 had done to the 442 and 4231 before.
I'm getting ahead of myself here. Who knows.
Inter Milan right now are leading Serie A with a 352. Of course energy levels in Serie A are lower.
Lyon had a nice run in the CL last season with 352 despite lower individual quality.
With the right personal the modern 352 may be the natural evolution to counter act the modern 433, just as that very 433 had done to the 442 and 4231 before.
I'm getting ahead of myself here. Who knows.
khaled_a_d
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What is "actual success in World Football"?
352 and 343 have been used by Italian teams with Juve for example and it was working just fine too in their league. Conte won the EPL title with it iirc?
serghei
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Relax guys, 3-5-2 is decent as long as Dembele is fit and makes runs in space constantly. It's a temporary fix of some of our problems. Not more than that. Besides, it's as our assistant said, as long as you press, run a lot and apply intensity on the opponent's possession spells, you're generally fine with most modern systems.
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