Ronald Koeman

Messi983

Senior Member
Zidane was the same. Your skills matter a whole lot more than anything else. Former legends are always a great source for the next batch of elite managers.

Sure but for every Pep and Zidane you have 2-3-5 or more legendary players who are not doing as good as coaches. Henry has flopped so far, maybe it's to early to judge Pirlo but he doesn't seem to be up to the task. And even Koeman's coaching career before coming back home (and during this season) has been pretty mixed up. Not every legend will succeed as a coach even if they get a chance at the club they know very well from their playing times which is often a case.

What Xavi would do with a mid table La Liga club has little to no relevance what he would do at Barca.

Pep, Lucho, Zidane have 6 CL?s (Two trebles) and many other trophies between them despite only coaching at B team level/Roma and Celta Vigo.

I wouldn't put much importance into what results Xavi would have with Celta or Villarreal for example (he could potentially win the league with those clubs and then still fail to met expectations at Barca or he could get those clubs relegated and still won trebles with Barca if/when given a chance) either but I think it would help him to progress, learn and develop better than coaching in Qatar.

First by working with better players every day in trainings (this is often overlooked but it's not just players who are supposed to improve working under good coaches, I'm sure almost all legendary coaches will say they wouldn't do what they did if they didn't learn "a few tricks" coaching this or that great player at some point in their careers) and second by playing against Barca, RM, AM in games where some of his coaching weaknesses would probably be exposed and he wouldn't have players quality on his side to "hide" them so he would need to work on improving those deficits. And it would be better if he'd learn some "hard lessons" in other clubs before coming back.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Former legends are always a great source for the next batch of elite managers.

I Googled some former Barca's players as coaches.

Here are results, players from a recent era:
Thiago Motta - He played for Barcelona between 2001 and 2007. Until now, his only club as a coach has been Genoa.
Mauricio Pellegrino - The Argentine spent the 1998/99 season at the Camp Nou. He has coached various teams with varying degrees of success, most recently doing so at Leganes.
Eusebio Sacristan - After a playing career that saw him spend a lot of time at Barcelona, between 1989 and 1996, he moved into coaching and has previously coached the B team of the club. He has also coached Celta Vigo, Real Sociedad and Girona, suffering relegation with the latter last season.
Gerard Lopez - After coming through the Barcelona academy and spending some time with Valencia and Alaves, he played for the Barcelona first team from 2000 to 2005. As a coach, he has been in charge of the Catalan national team and Barcelona B.
Juan Carlos Unzue - After a playing career that saw him play in goals for Barcelona from 1988 to 1990, he become a goalkeeping coach and assistant at the club. He was Luis Enrique's assistant and then took over at Celta Vigo and Girona following his departure from Barcelona in 2017, but was dismissed form both those jobs.
Mark van Bommel - The Dutchman was at Barcelona in the 2005/06 season when they won the Champions League. As a coach, he has only trained PSV Eindhoven, but was sacked last month.
Sergi Barjuan - The left-back spent almost his entire career at Barcelona, playing for the club from 1992 to 2002. He then coached in the Barcelona youth academy and has also spent time coaching in China with Zhejiang Greentown.
Bernd Schuster - The German played for Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Barcelona, doing so for the latter from 1980 to 1988. He also coached Real Madrid at one point, as well as other Spanish sides like Getafe, Levante and Malaga.
Michael Laudrup - During the heights of the Dream Team, Laudrup was a Barcelona star and played at the Camp Nou between 1989 and 1994. Later, he moved into coaching and has coached Getafe and Real Mallorca in Spain.
Laurent Blanc - The defender had an impressive playing career that included a year, in 1996/97, at Barcelona. He has coached Bordeaux, France and PSG, but hasn't coached since 2016.
Sylvinho - From 2004 to 2009, Sylvinho was a Barcelona player. He was hired as the new coach for Lyon at the start of this season, but was sacked by October.
Albert Ferrer - The Catalan spent most of his playing career at the Camp Nou, staying there until 1998. He briefly moved into coaching afterwards and was in charge of Cordoba and Real Mallorca for a couple of short spells.

Also, there are Ronald Koeman, De Boer brothers, Cocu, Gio Van Bronckhorst, Lucho, Abelardo, Guillermo Amor.

Here is another list, of ALL former Barca's players who were hired as Barca's coaches:
https://www.90min.com/posts/every-former-barcelona-player-to-become-manager-how-they-fared

1. Jack Greenwell
As Player: 1912 -1916

As Coach: 1913 - 1923, 1931 - 193

Englishman Jack Greenwell is recognised as the first full-time Barcelona coach in the club?s history, having first become a player-coach in 1913. He retired from playing in 1916 and remained in charge until 1923, before returning for a second spell from 1931 to 1933.

The club won two Copa del Rey trophies under Greenwell.

2. Roma Forns
As Player: 1903 -1913

As Coach: 1927 ? 1929

Barcelona had always been managed by foreigners ? an Austrian, a Hungarian and several Englishmen ? until city native Roma Forns tooks the reins in the late 1920s.

Forns had been one of Bar?a?s earliest players, joining in 1903, while his two-year stint as coach, which had been a request from the squad, yielded the club?s first La Liga title. Between playing and coaching, he had also been on the board of directors.

3. Franz Platko
As Player: 1923 -1930

As Coach: 1934 - 1935, 1955 - 1956

Hungarian import Franz Platko played for Barcelona during Forns? successful and was part of the side that won La Liga and three Copa del Rey trophies.

Platko, a goalkeeper as a player, returned as coach himself in the 1930s. He won a Catalan Championship in that spell, but his second in the 1950s ended when he was sacked.

4. Josep Planas
As Player: 1921 -1927

As Coach: 1939 - 1941

Barcelona turned to another former player from the 1920s when Josep Planas was chosen to lead the team in 1939. He was considered an innovator when it came to training and is credited as the first Bar?a coach to actively changing training methods.

Overall, Planas? managerial career spanned over 30 years until the early 1960s.

5. Ramon Guzman
As Player: 1928 -1935

As Coach: 1941 - 1942

Ramon Guzman was a league champion with Barcelona as a player in the late 1920s and stayed until midway through the following decade, before getting the call to return as coach in 1941.

Guzman?s time in charge was less successful than his spell as a player and he was sacked after only half a season. He later tragically died in 1954 aged just 47 when he collapsed during a ?legends? game at Bar?a?s old Les Corts stadium.

6. Joan Josep Nogues
As Player: 1930 -1936, 1939 - 1941

As Coach: 1941 - 1944

Joan Josep Nogues played for Barcelona both before and after the Spanish Civil War and was initially asked to take over as player-manager when he was appointed head coach.

Under Nogues? leadership, Bar?a won the Copa del Rey but were also almost relegated. He later had a long association with Gimnastic and also briefly managed Espanyol.

7. Josep Samitier
As Player: 1919 -1932

As Coach: 1944 - 1947

Josep Samitier was a key member of Barcelona?s first golden side of the 1920s, which the team?s 2020/21 home kit pays tribute to. He won Bar?a?s first La Liga as a player during that period and later delivered only the club?s second Spanish title when he returned as coach.

Samitier?s spell in charge kickstarted the club?s second golden era of success. In a later position as head scout he was responsible for bringing Hungarian forward Laszlo Kubala to the club.

8. Enrique Fernandez
As Player: 1935 -1936

As Coach: 1947 - 1950

Building on the foundations laid by predecessor Samitier, Enrique Fernandez won back-to-back La Liga titles as Barcelona coach in 1947/48 and 1948/49, the first Bar?a to win two league trophies.

A former Uruguay international who played for the club in mid-1930s, Fernandez was also the first South American coach in Bar?a?s history.

9. Ramon Llorens
As Player: 1928 -1936

As Coach: 1950

Despite a limited career as second choice goalkeeper behind the aforementioned Nogues and only a short stint as coach, Ramon Llorens is celebrated in Barcelona history.

Besides playing and managing, Llorens also served the club as a trainer and scout. He was also the sixth successive Bar?a boss between 1940 and 1950 to have previously played for the club.

10. Domenec Balmanya
As Player: 1935 -1937, 1941 - 1944

As Coach: 1956 - 1958

Domenec Balmanya was a Copa del Rey winner as a Bar?a player in the early 1940s, his second spell with the club, and was tasked with managing the team just over a decade later.

Balmanya repeated his achievement as a player and delivered the Copa del Rey as coach.

11. Luis Miro
As Player: 1939 -1943

As Coach: 1961 - 1962

After Balmanya left in 1958, former teammate Luis Miro was Barcelona?s fifth new coach in three years when he was appointed at Camp Nou in 1961.

Unfortunately for the retired goalkeeper, his spell as manager was a difficult one and he resigned the position after only 13 games in charge.

12. Laszlo Kubala
As Player: 1951 - 1961

As Coach: 1962 - 1963, 1980

Club legend Laszlo Kubala took over as Barcelona coach in 1962 fresh from retiring as a player the year before and initially being handed control of the youth team.

The naturalised Hungarian refugee was Bar?a?s second all-time top scorer at the time of his retirement, but he was sacked as coach after 14 months without a trophy. Kubala had a further five-month spell at the held in 1980.

13. Josep Gonzalvo
As Player: 1944 - 1950

As Coach: 1963

Josep Gonzalvo enjoyed great success as a Barcelona player in the late 1940s, winning three La Liga titles, during which time he played alongside his younger brother, Maria.

Gonzalvo replaced Kubala on a short-term basis in the second half of the 1962/63 season and won the Copa del Rey. He didn?t extend his stay beyond that.

14. Cesar Rodriguez
As Player: 1939 - 1955

As Coach: 1963 - 1964

Until Lionel Messi, Cesar Rodriguez was Barcelona?s all-time top goalscorer for 57 years. He was a Pichichi Trophy winner and a five-time La Liga champion, before turning his hand to coaching and making his name in charge of Real Zaragoza.

Cesar was hired by Bar?a in 1963 but was sacked only a few games into his second season.

15. Salvador Artigas
As Player: 1932 - 1933

As Coach: 1967 - 1969

Salvador Artigas only briefly played for Barcelona at the very start of his career and actually spent much of his time win France with the likes of Le Mans and Rennes.

The latter is where he started his managerial career, before returning home to Barcelona and taking charge in 1967. He won a Copa Del Rey by beating Real Madrid in the final.

16. Josep Seguer
As Player: 1942 - 1957

As Coach: 1969 - 1970

Joesep Seguer was only very briefly in charge as Barcelona coach for 11 games in the second half of the 1969/70 season, after which he became assistant to English manager Vic Buckingham.

A full-back, Seguer is more revered for his time as a Bar?a player, which spanned 15 years from 1942 when he made his debut for the first-team. He was a five-time La Liga champion.

17. Lucien Muller
As Player: 1962 - 1965

As Coach: 1978 - 1979

In the 1970s, Barcelona moved away from hiring former players as head coach and went for big foreign imports like the aforementioned Buckingham and Dutchman Rinus Michels.

Lucien Muller, a Bar?a midfielder in the 1960s, got the gig in 1978 after making an impression elsewhere in Spain. He lasted less than one season but remains the club?s only French boss.

18. Joaquim Rife
As Player: 1963 - 1976

As Coach: 1979 - 1980

When Muller was sacked late in the 1978/79 season, Barcelona-born Joaquim Rife was tasked with leading the club to Cup Winners? Cup glory. He did exactly that but poor form the following season saw him replaced before the end of the following season.

The former captain was La Liga champion as a player and won two Copa del Rey titles.

19. Jose Luis Romero
As Player: 1970 - 1971

As Coach: 1983

With only a short time as a Barcelona player, Jose Luis Romero had an even shorter time as coach between high profile appointments of Udo Lattek and Cesar Menotti.

Romero?s spell in charge lasted all of a single game, before taking over Barcelona B.

20. Carles Rexach
As Player: 1965 - 1981

As Coach: 1988, 1991, 1996, 2001 - 2002

Carles Rexach has served Barcelona in various capacities over the last 60 years, winning La Liga as part of a legendary side in the early 1970s and later having four spells as head coach.

Three of those periods were as interim boss, immediately before and after former teammate Johan Cruyff?s tenure, but Rexach got the job full-time in 2001. He had already served as assistant to Luis Aragones and Cruyff and was later employed as technical director.

21. Johann Crujff
As Player: 1973 - 1978

As Coach: 1988 ? 1996

A superstar signing as a player in the 1970s when the first Dutch revolution swept Barcelona, Johan Cruyff was responsible for building the ?Dream Team? when he returned as coach in 1988. He pulled the club out of a difficult period and transformed them into European champions within four years

Cruyff was a central figure in the rise of La Masia and promoted youth. His influence and legacy is still felt at the club today and all players are taught to play in the style he preached.

22. Pep Guardiola
As Player: 1990 - 2001

As Coach: 2008 - 2012

In the late 1990s and early 2000s, Barcelona once more found themselves lured to high-profile foreign imports. But that changed when they installed Pep Guardiola as coach following one year in charge of Barcelona B.

Guardiola oversaw the second explosion of La Masia talent, winning a treble in his first season and pushing Bar?a to become arguably the best club side of all time in the years that followed.

23. Luis Enrique
As Player: 1996 - 2004

As Coach: 2014 - 2017

Although signed from Real Madrid in the mid-1990s, Luis Enrique became ingrained in Barcelona history during his playing career and was chosen as manager in 2014.

Rather like former teammate Guardiola, Enrique won a La Liga, Copa del Rey and Champions League treble in his very first season. He resigned at the end of his three-year contract in 2017 and later took charge of the Spanish national team.

24. Lord Ernie
As Player: 1988 - 1990

As Coach: 2017 - 2020

Ernesto Valverde was a bit-part forward for Barcelona under the management of Johan Cruyff and was more famous as a player for Espanyol and Athletic Bilbao. He had spells in charge of both clubs, before Barcelona called upon him to replace Enrique in 2017.

Valverde oversaw continued domestic dominance but a lack of progress saw pressure build and he was sacked in January 2020 with Bar?a on course for a third straight league title.

25. Ronald Koeman
As Player: 1989 -1995

As Coach: 2020 - present

Ronald Koeman is arguably the greatest goalscoring defender of all time and holds a special place in Barcelona history as a member of the ?Dream Team? and scorer of the only goal in the 1992 European Cup final.

His success as a coach has been mixed, with a spell at Everton ending in disaster. His time in charge of the Dutch national team has somewhat restored his reputation, although there are already doubts over his long-term Bar?a future ahead of next year?s presidential election.
 

Joan

Well-known member

serghei

Senior Member
[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], there seems to be a pattern where the best managers are former midfielders. And when you say central midfielder, Xavi is probably the greatest of them all.

I'm not saying that he's for sure gonna be Guardiola 2.0, but the foundation is there, and we need to give him the chance to show what he can do. Especially now, considering that it's impossible to sign any of the 4-5 best managers in the world.
 
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Messigician

Senior Member
[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], there seems to be a pattern where the best managers are former midfielders. And when you say central midfielder, Xavi is probably the greatest of them all.

I'm not saying that he's for sure gonna be Guardiola 2.0, but the foundation is there, and we need to give him the chance to show what he can do. Especially now, considering that it's impossible to sign any of the 4-5 best managers in the world.

Valverde? Enrique? Cruyff? All forwards..
 

Laplacian

Senior Member
[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], there seems to be a pattern where the best managers are former midfielders. And when you say central midfielder, Xavi is probably the greatest of them all.

I'm not saying that he's for sure gonna be Guardiola 2.0, but the foundation is there, and we need to give him the chance to show what he can do. Especially now, considering that it's impossible to sign any of the 4-5 best managers in the world.

Cruyff, Fergusson, Sacchi, Mourinho, Heyneckes...

That "pattern" is called confirmation bias. Seems like you're going through an absurd amount of mental gymnastics to justify the appointment of someone straight from Qatar's league. It's a nonsensical decision.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Honestly....

From the news that keep coming about our financial situation I think the likely scenario is Koeman staying, Messi leaving and Barca signing Aguero and Memphis lol.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
:lol: You used to me more positive than this.

Of course, but the shit that keep coming out....cash strapped, shitload of short-term debt to other clubs and heck our own players, compromising future revenue to pay the players and staff.

The amount of money it'll cost to sign a Haaland, Mbappe, Kane, Lukaku, whatever.

I'm hearing bad things.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Of course, but the shit that keep coming out....cash strapped, shitload of short-term debt to other clubs and heck our own players, compromising future revenue to pay the players and staff.

The amount of money it'll cost to sign a Haaland, Mbappe, Kane, Lukaku, whatever.

I'm hearing bad things.

Fuck it then, go full-on discount baby Barca for a few years. Worst thing we need is buy semi-expensive not good enough mature players. Either go for the best, or play with what we have and promote en masse.
 

Joan

Well-known member
It can harm your case. Imagine Guardiola got to some Levante-like team instead of Barca, and they ended up playing like Paco Jemez Vallecano, conceding 5-6 goals a game because they can't grasp the concepts.

The stuff Guardiola plays even makes players like Walker, Laporte look like clowns. Imagine the errors those Levante-like defenders would make. :lol: There's a chance Pep wouldn't have made it big if he wasn't trusted early full-on. If he wasn't given the proper talent to put those bold ideas in action.

What you say is the most common path. Percentage-wise. But some cases stray away from the norm and you have to spot them, and this is where the genius of high-level management is.

With Xavi, there are numerous hints imo, that he will be a hit.

Well it's always a matter or smart choices. Don't take on what you think will won't work. But you're claiming Primera teams wouldn't be able to grasp the concepts, while in Q league they did. Quite a stretch there, lol

Think he's due for the job even if he fails at another job. But suggesting the best option for him is camping for years in the Q league is ludicrous.

Many positions he could've persued, yet decided to wait for Barca to come knocking. Don't like that at all.

You mentioned Guardiola. Lillo replaced Arteta as Pep's assistant coach last summer. Just an example. Not saying it would've worked out.
 

SmilerBam

Well-known member
Real was extra lucky this game.
1) International games really messed us up as always.
2. First goal is comedy from mats.
3. Second goal is pure luck.
4. Messi corner.
5. Messi through ball, alba messing the cross.
6. Dembele could not hit the ball.
7 Weather didn't help to play football. It was better for distruction and counters, reals game.
8. Last chance...

It was a perfect Storm, what can you do.

No.These are excuses. We lost again in a big match, and this inexcusable. And yes,Sociedad or Sevilla don't count as big matches for a club like Barcelona. If he fails to win Copa, he has to go. And i think he will. With Copa, idk, i m torned. Still, questions have to be raised about our performaces and results in big games under him.
 
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