Ronald Koeman

[malvolio]

RIP 2021-2022 season.

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[Barcilliant]

He'll be better next season. I am normally a big pessimist when it comes to the club but I think we will be better next season. We have signed some players and hopefully we sign a few more. Also we get rid of the deadwood. Want to see a left back, cb and goalkeeper brought in plus Gini.
The squad was pretty ordinary last season plus we had injuries. I think Koeman was feeling the pressure from external issues like no president, finances etc.
As long as he finds his first 11and keeps it simple we should do well. If he overthinks it we will end up like last season.

 

[malvolio]

He'll be better next season. I am normally a big pessimist when it comes to the club but I think we will be better next season. We have signed some players and hopefully we sign a few more. Also we get rid of the deadwood. Want to see a left back, cb and goalkeeper brought in plus Gini.
The squad was pretty ordinary last season plus we had injuries. I think Koeman was feeling the pressure from external issues like no president, finances etc.
As long as he finds his first 11and keeps it simple we should do well. If he overthinks it we will end up like last season.

These are all excuses. The guy got it right with that change to 352 that coincided with Sevilla having a bit of blip in form. And even then, if Ocampos scored that penalty it would have been 0 trophies.
Biggest issue with Koeman was that he didn't manage to at least grind out a win in an important match vs good teams. When the chips were down he failed.
Having a better squad surely helps, but the man doesn't seem to be smart enough for the job. You don't see him have a genius moment or something that makes you believe he is better than Tata Martino or Setien.

 

[JamDav1982]

These are all excuses. The guy got it right with that change to 352 that coincided with Sevilla having a bit of blip in form. And even then, if Ocampos scored that penalty it would have been 0 trophies.
Biggest issue with Koeman was that he didn't manage to at least grind out a win in an important match vs good teams. When the chips were down he failed.
Having a better squad surely helps, but the man doesn't seem to be smart enough for the job. You don't see him have a genius moment or something that makes you believe he is better than Tata Martino or Setien.

If Messi scores his penalty v PSG Barca have good chance of going through.. if teams score penalties vs Atletico towards end of season chances are they dont win the league.

If players dont make so many individual mistakes in games particularly at back Barca could win league.

Easy to start breaking down to individual moments like that for all teams.

Sevilla had won their previous 6 league games before Barce beat them... Barca results is what contributed to poorer form if anything.

Barca season derailed towards end when Koeman reverted to Pique in back three and old core again. The results all season dropped massively with Pique in team.

Koeman is lucky club cant afford to sack him as for all the good he did the way the league was thrown away near end in a formation that was not working with same old issues of leggy slow players emerging.

There are excuses for Barca winning as well..'Messi decided to start playing again in second half of season' etc. All about Messi deciding to play when win and Koemans fault when lose.

 

[malvolio]

If Messi scores his penalty v PSG Barca have good chance of going through.. if teams score penalties vs Atletico towards end of season chances are they dont win the league.

If players dont make so many individual mistakes in games particularly at back Barca could win league.

Easy to start breaking down to individual moments like that for all teams.

Sevilla had won their previous 6 league games before Barce beat them... Barca results is what contributed to poorer form if anything.

Barca season derailed towards end when Koeman reverted to Pique in back three and old core again. The results all season dropped massively with Pique in team.

Koeman is lucky club cant afford to sack him as for all the good he did the way the league was thrown away near end in a formation that was not working with same old issues of leggy slow players emerging.

There are excuses for Barca winning as well..'Messi decided to start playing again in second half of season' etc. All about Messi deciding to play when win and Koemans fault when lose.

ocampos not scoring that penalty would have put the game out of reach. we barely scored in the end to go to ET. your buddy old legs pique scoring.

messi penalty and other bullshit i won't comment as those are your fantasies.

yes, sevilla going into that poor run of form might have been triggered by us winning at their home in the league. didn't argue with that.

yes, messi getting into form helped us have that good run in december/january. otherwise we would have been fucked.

 

[JamDav1982]

ocampos not scoring that penalty would have put the game out of reach. we barely scored in the end to go to ET. your buddy old legs pique scoring.

messi penalty and other bullshit i won't comment as those are your fantasies.

yes, sevilla going into that poor run of form might have been triggered by us winning at their home in the league. didn't argue with that.

yes, messi getting into form helped us have that good run in december/january. otherwise we would have been fucked.

It would have out game out of reach most likely but all teams have those moments and not unique to Koeman while Barca still had to go and win the game while still being underdogs after the miss. My buddy Griezmann setting up the goal and being main man for Barca in that cup run.

Messi penalty is relevant as example of how games can swing on such incidents.

Messi in form is all tied in to coach also and it is excuses to make all about Messi when win and Koeman when lose.

Sevilla won seven domestic games in a row before Barca beat them twice then won seven of next nine. It was not Barca being lucky to meet them in time of dipped form. Barca were just by far better side in those two wins and outwith domestic results Dortmund were better than them as well.

Searching for excuses or 'reasons' to downplay Barca wins if Koeman gets praise for them.

I agree Koeman was majorly at fault for way season ended and lucky to survive that and how he set up team with Pique but he was massively at credit for the good run prior to that and not down to 'Messi deciding to play'.

 

[malvolio]

It would have out game out of reach most likely but all teams have those moments and not unique to Koeman while Barca still had to go and win the game while still being underdogs after the miss. My buddy Griezmann setting up the goal and being main man for Barca in that cup run.

Messi penalty is relevant as example of how games can swing on such incidents.

Messi in form is all tied in to coach also and it is excuses to make all about Messi when win and Koeman when lose.

didn't say it was unique to koeman. it was facts. they score, we have to score 3 as ET wasn't an option anymore.

messi penalty is irrelevant in this conversation because paris would have still be in pole position to qualify if he scored. could that have been big moment? maybe yes, maybe no. we still would have to score 2 more and concede only 1 just to reach ET. not in any way, shape or form comparable to sevilla scoring penalty and us having to score 3 from there.

messi, after guardiola left, hasn't learned much from coaches that he had. mainly because he is that good and because he was in his prime already. he didn't give a fuck about the others that followed, just don't piss him off as lucho and bartomeu did. no coach in the world right now can teach messi new tricks or change the way he plays. so in my opinion koeman didn't influence messi being in the mood or not this season.

not really, downplaying koeman's wins, just pointing out the guy is out of his depth and he got lucky to not be fired.

 

[vegitot]

Next season is tougher. With more signing mean more pressure, higher expection. There will be no transistion season, just like Laporta said. Though Koeman may not be sacked in the middle like EV if he is bad.

 

[JamDav1982]

didn't say it was unique to koeman. it was facts. they score, we have to score 3 as ET wasn't an option anymore.

messi penalty is irrelevant in this conversation because paris would have still be in pole position to qualify if he scored. could that have been big moment? maybe yes, maybe no. we still would have to score 2 more and concede only 1 just to reach ET. not in any way, shape or form comparable to sevilla scoring penalty and us having to score 3 from there.

messi, after guardiola left, hasn't learned much from coaches that he had. mainly because he is that good and because he was in his prime already. he didn't give a fuck about the others that followed, just don't piss him off as lucho and bartomeu did. no coach in the world right now can teach messi new tricks or change the way he plays. so in my opinion koeman didn't influence messi being in the mood or not this season.

not really, downplaying koeman's wins, just pointing out the guy is out of his depth and he got lucky to not be fired.

It is facts that Barca play well enough to take advantage of that penalty miss and teams like Atletico benefitted from penalty misses in league etc that could alter outcome.

Messi penalty miss is relevant to show how incidents can contribute to results which coach cant control on park. Bringing up isolated incidents is not relevant and doesnt tell whole story really unless start comparing them. Then it is never ending.

Even if less definitive than Sevilla penalty miss but Barca went through due to how they played and could take advantage of the miss with Sevilla still favs to go through.

Messi like every player in the world ever benefits from team set up and coaches play a part in that.

Not sure how anyone could look the Barca team with three CBs and players playing and not see how that hampered Messi or many others in the run in.

Dont think he is out of depth but agree due to way team finished season he is lucky not to be out but he did a lot of good prior to that and improved team in many areas under about most difficicult circumstances possible to face in way season started.

 

[JamDav1982]

Next season is tougher. With more signing mean more pressure, higher expection. There will be no transistion season, just like Laporta said. Though Koeman may not be sacked in the middle like EV if he is bad.

Definitely more pressure as squad will be improved and get a proper, settled pre season where can concentrate on team and not acting as spokesman for the club etc.

Not that will be favs but expect to win it and challenge hard for it as Real and Atletico as things stand are no great shakes.

Barca should expect to win the league this season. The squad with the signings is more than capable and in CL hold own and no folding. It is hard to say how far should go when cant predict the draw but everyone will know a failure when they see it.

 

[jamrock]

He's a lucky boy, how we crumbled towards the end of the season was primarily his fault & his results against the better teams doesn't give me much hope, but right now thier aren't many if any alternatives, so I hope next season he makes the changes needed.

I really wished we bought a real starting prospect as CB because Eric isn't it, pique should be coming off the bench & Jessie smollett shouldn't be anywhere near the team, I'm at the point where I am wishing for a miracle with umtimi, because my boy can ball, his body is just failing him.

 

[jairzinho]

He's a lucky boy, how we crumbled towards the end of the season was primarily his fault & his results against the better teams doesn't give me much hope, but right now thier aren't many if any alternatives, so I hope next season he makes the changes needed.

I wouldn't put that on him entirely. This group of players has a history of choking in high pressure moments and against top teams.

 

[Barcilliant]

I wouldn't put that on him entirely. This group of players has a history of choking in high pressure moments and against top teams.

Exactly.
The defense is shitty as it is but they get no protection from the midfield whatsoever. Busquets is terrible and Ter Stegen inspires no confidence either.
Easy to blame Koeman though I do agree that some of his line ups and subs are bizarre.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Exactly.
The defense is shitty as it is but they get no protection from the midfield whatsoever. Busquets is terrible and Ter Stegen inspires no confidence either.
Easy to blame Koeman though I do agree that some of his line ups and subs are bizarre.

True. First thing we need to fix is defensive problems. We will never beat any good team, if our defense is leaking goals like Puig news to reporters.

 

[serghei]

Koeman fucked up two areas, overplaying the same players in a match every 3 days scenario, while misutilizing others, and trusting the washed-up veterans as soon as they were back from injury. There's no defending him in these areas. And this is true for any manager who does the same, no matter who it is, Xavi, Pep, whoever.

Any managers that think Pique, Roberto, Umtiti are still good players worth playing are idiots or clueless romantic types. Messi, Alba, and Busi, in this order. These 3 can still contribute for up to 2 more years, some have top football left in them, again, on a short-term basis. The others should be dropped, simple as that.

There are no buts and ifs. Do it right now and build from it.