Sadio Mane

[Luftstalag14]

No, they are just don't breaking their wage structure, which is capped pretty low compared to all top clubs NO MATTER WHAT
and they are doing the right thing,
unlike our shithole at Barca

Ahh, quite prudent indeed but I am not sure how much longer they can hold out for, before their players wanting out or not being able to compete in attracting top players.

Is this wage cap a FSG thingy or does it predate them?

 

[topt]

No, they are just don't breaking their wage structure, which is capped pretty low compared to all top clubs NO MATTER WHAT
and they are doing the right thing,
unlike our shithole at Barca

well you are saying the same thing as me but in other words; offering Mane 12M... I mean Sule is getting 10 from Dortmund; its a joke offer

 

[JamDav1982]

Liverpools approach has been workimg while they have had top players.

The issue they could have is that they are letting contracts run down rather than rewarding players for performance during the contract often.

They could lose Mane for 30 odd million and if they were not to renew Salah they wont get all that much for him either.

It only works for them if keep finding great value and although individuals not earing huge amounts their squad is getting bigger with more highly paid players in it.

There are risks to Liverpools approach as well.

 

[Birdy]

Wow, that's it? That's really low, considering his transfer fee and everything else.

It;s not low within Liverpool's wage structure though.

Henderson is gettin 140k per week, and only 7 players (VVD, Salah, Thiago, Fabinho, Trent, Firmino, Allison) get more than that (most of which in their recent renewals, after having won silverware for Pool and proven themselves)
I would be irrational for Nunez who is 22yr old and yet-to-prove himself at top level to get more than them

As far as the sustainability of their approach, if their analytics department keeps identifying top prospects before they became established,
it can keep going

 

[Porque]

What do you really mean?
Right now VVD who has a contract until '26 is getting 220k GBP per week, and everyone else is getting less..
And they are not offering to anyone a figure beyond that number.
They are offloading everyone demanding more, even their big stars (ready to do the same with Salah...)

Why is this not sustainable?

Well that is precisely it. What they had/have been doing has worked because they have been making an ascent from an aspire top club towards being a top 5 club in the world. We're talking about Bayern getting the reputation of being stingy with their top players, while here we have Liverpool with the same model. Difference is Bayern can hold this model to an extent being the top paying club and the top of the food chain in Germany.

As Luftstalag said Liverpools income levels are known to everyone. They could continue with this model if they wish, but with elevated budgets. If not, then they will be reliant on replacing the Mane's, Salah's and ecetera with equal talents. It can work if their scouting holds up and they can get in and sign early like with Diaz. But the challenge will be when these players are aware that Liverpool will underpay them by 30-50% compared to if they wait and negotiate with a long list of other clubs.

So let's see how Liverpool manage their next phase of their development.

 

[JamDav1982]

Liverpool were trying to sign Mbappe.

They will offer Salah more than curently highest paid player.

Their structure isnt as strict as is made out.

Nunez wont be on 6-8m... Players are not going for 100m and accepting that salary.

 

[topt]

Well that is precisely it. What they had/have been doing has worked because they have been making an ascent from an aspire top club towards being a top 5 club in the world. We're talking about Bayern getting the reputation of being stingy with their top players, while here we have Liverpool with the same model. Difference is Bayern can hold this model to an extent being the top paying club and the top of the food chain in Germany.

As Luftstalag said Liverpools income levels are known to everyone. They could continue with this model if they wish, but with elevated budgets. If not, then they will be reliant on replacing the Mane's, Salah's and ecetera with equal talents. It can work if their scouting holds up and they can get in and sign early like with Diaz. But the challenge will be when these players are aware that Liverpool will underpay them by 30-50% compared to if they wait and negotiate with a long list of other clubs.

So let's see how Liverpool manage their next phase of their development.

Bayern is not stingy at all when it comes to salaries, they are only stingy with transfers; kind of opposite to Liverpool

 

[Luftstalag14]

It;s not low within Liverpool's wage structure though.

Henderson is gettin 140k per week, and only 7 players (VVD, Salah, Thiago, Fabinho, Trent, Firmino, Allison) get more than that (most of which in their recent renewals, after having won silverware for Pool and proven themselves)
I would be irrational for Nunez who is 22yr old and yet-to-prove himself at top level to get more than them

As far as the sustainability of their approach, if their analytics department keeps identifying top prospects before they became established,
it can keep going

What we should do is to steal the brains of Liverpool's analytics department. All the hoopla of BIHUB so far hasn't yielded much for us, other than Pedri and Torre I suppose (not sure if they played a role or not at all).

 

[JamDav1982]

On Nunez... he had agreed to go to Brighton year for 32m and Rui Costa put a stop to it when arrived at Benfica.

Small margins.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Bayern is not stingy at all when it comes to salaries, they are only stingy with transfers; kind of opposite to Liverpool

Nah, Bayern is stingy with its salaries offered, or shall we say "was" or "had been". Otherwise they would not have lost the likes of Kroos, Alaba and perhaps Suele.

Bayern's wage bill is one of the lowest among Europe's top clubs.

 

[Porque]

What we should do is to steal the brains of Liverpool's analytics department. All the hoopla of BIHUB so far hasn't yielded much for us, other than Pedri and Torre I suppose (not sure if they played a role or not at all).

I read we had one of the strongest analytics departments with clubs like Liverpool headhunting our staff. We just don't utilise it effectively and may cut it's budget. So more of a structural and implementation issue.

Probably have a checkbox Barca DNA filled in at all times.

 

[DonAK]

People don't understand that scouts and analytics only provide valuable information to the SD and decision makers. They can lobby for a signing all they want, but if a SD or President or a manager has his eyes set on someone else it doesn't matter.

They are not decision makers.

 

[JamDav1982]

Can have the best analytics dept going and it wont matter if from the top of club they opt for coaches that think in a certain way and wont rock the boat of the legends.

Analytics and a modern coach that has more control of playing squad need to go hand in hand.

Look at Pique.. how disrespectful he is about Barca, the arrogance of him at every turns, while getting humiliated year after year..

What do club do?

'Ask' him to be a footballer and come out in defence of him as player 'all clubs' want and he is here to stay.

It is moronic and not way any top coach or top club behave.

 

[Luftstalag14]

I read we had one of the strongest analytics departments with clubs like Liverpool headhunting our staff. We just don't utilise it effectively and may cut it's budget. So more of a structural and implementation issue.

Probably have a checkbox Barca DNA filled in at all times.

Yeah, could be true, I remember reading several years ago, in our heydays about how great BIHUB was etc. I still think it was a great thing and asset to have, and I agree with you that perhaps the club just doesn't utilize their work and findings that much. If true, too bad.

This club should be led by science and professionals, instead of people based on their certain experience (or the lack of it), preference and connections with big wigs like Laporta. Exactly why I think Laporta's second term is taking us in the wrong direction.

 

[JamDav1982]

Analytics can be read in different ways and find what want to see in them.

Xavi quotes Busi winning ball back but that ignores how often he vacates DM position and hares about park leaving gaps.

Need to have a clear vision of what those relevant stats are and how they are applied in practise.

Arsenal had top analytics dept in EPL for years and other teams would try to replicate it.

Got to point Arsenal were trying to be so far ahead of curve and looking for things other clubs were not as they had less money to spend.

That type of thing caused them to reject Kante signing etc... most likely due to some small stat other teams dont look at that showed some deficiencies on the ball.

They made a lot of shite almost obscure signings as thought they could see things others couldnt.

Can work both ways.