Sergio Busquets

[DonAK]

Didn't he appear on camera to vote for independence and he always talks about him being Catalan?

Dude he just voted like most of us do.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Dude he just voted like most of us do.

I know but it is no secret Pique, like Guardiola, favors independence, right?

 

[DonAK]

I know but it is no secret Pique, like Guardiola, favors independence, right?

Pep favors independence.

Pique never stated his position on it. In fact until recently it was thought he was against independence, but pro more autonomy.

This isn't even about independence. No one booed Pique until he mocked Madrid with the Kevin Roldan comments.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Pep favors independence.

Pique never stated his position on it. In fact until recently it was thought he was against independence, but pro more autonomy.

This isn't even about independence. No one booed Pique until he mocked Madrid with the Kevin Roldan comments.

I meant when he was booed on Monday during the Spain NT training by Spanish fans.

I agreed whatever he prefers does not matter. The same with Busquets, hence I asked why it was even an issue in the first place.

 

[DonAK]

I meant when he was booed on Monday during the Spain NT training by Spanish fans.

I agreed whatever he prefers does not matter. The same with Busquets, hence I asked why it was even an issue in the first place.

He's outspoken, charismatic and mocks Real Madrid.

That alone puts a target on his back.

 

[DonAK]

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[Messi983]

Politics.

In 30-60 days, half of a forum will hate half of our players, former players (Xavi), coaches (Pep) and similar.

If 50% of Catalans (or whatever the number is) are against an independence, then it is quite likely that half of our players are for and half of players are against it also.
For every Pique, there will be one Busquets in our team.

I don't think this will really divide the locker room. If this would be Athletic Bilbao where all players are Basque then you'd have a point. Though I think there are more Basque that want independency than Catalans.

But in Barça not even half of our players are born Catalans. I doubt foreigners like Umtiti or Semedo really care too much about that. If you'd ask them about Catalan independency they'd probably say something diplomatic like "people have right to decide" but I doubt anyone of them really think about those things. Even Iniesta who is a Spaniard living in Catalonia for more than half of his life is probably not really worried about that. And Messi probably feels like half a Catalan as well but again, I think they are both apolitical and will accept whatever will happen.

And second, players are professionals. Most of them have gone together through a lot of great and tough times and they are also friends off the field. They will just handle this whole Catalan independency "problem" the same way they did other issues so far. It's not like they are a bunch of 16 years old kids who think they are always right and "hate" people who disagree with them. Our players are mature enough to accept different opinions or at least not let possible differences influence on their professional and working relationship.

Or do you think that all of a sudden after spending a decade together Iniesta or Busquets won't be friends with Pique anymore because of the Catalan referendum? Pique's been vocal about what he thinks for years and if his teammates would have any problem with that then those problems would already emerged long before the referendum.

He said something like it`s a tough situation, but he won`t go on twitter to talk about it. Clearly a dig at Pique`s tweets.
In a normal situation, it would be nothing worth mentioning, but in a moment like this it could be blown out of proportion. And that could result in a bad atmosphere inside our dressing room. I hope it won`t come to that.

From that Marca article...

De twitter dijo que "cualquier persona debería usarlo con sentido común. Si de mí dependiese quitaría twitter del mundo, no puede ser que haya perfiles falsos".

http://www.marca.com/futbol/seleccion/2017/10/03/59d404b9e2704e80048b4631.html

Don't see what you're saying here but if you understand it that way, ok. It could be a dig at Pique, Ramos, both or none of them. We don't know what Busquets thought so we can just assume things and I don't like doing that.

But we know that Busquets is not a social media guy and I think he just expressed his opinion about twitter in general. And I can totally understand him. Twitter is nowadays full of smartasses, fake accounts and people trying to Break news even if in the end it proves to be a false news. I guess it's just a world we live in and I'm trying to get around this as much as possible so I've never had a twitter account and probably never will, I'm just reading a few Barça (though I get most news on this forum) related accounts and some other reliable people to get news on my favourite teams in other sports I follow, mostly American football and baseball.

 

[Barcaman]

I should think there are foreign players in Barca that care about Catalonia. Pretty sure I've read some comments but can't remember the players names. Aside from few former ones, like Hristo Stoichkov.

 

[BBZ8800]

And second, players are professionals. Most of them have gone together through a lot of great and tough times and they are also friends off the field. They will just handle this whole Catalan independency "problem" the same way they did other issues so far. It's not like they are a bunch of 16 years old kids who think they are always right and "hate" people who disagree with them. Our players are mature enough to accept different opinions or at least not let possible differences influence on their professional and working relationship.

In my country, people virtually (from both sides) were killing neighbors with whom they lived for 20-50 years in a matter of a few days when the war started.

That is a human nature, animals, tribes, survival, you are with us or against us.
There is almost no other way.

In short: yes, I absolutely DO believe that Pique and hard core Catalan guys would turn their back to undecided (50:50) guys and especially to guys who are against their ideas.
That will happen though ONLY if the situation will escalate further, like Catalonia becoming independant now, Spain causing administrative and possibly army problems, other riots, fights and similar things in Catalonia.
Then, Pique (and Catalan fans) will start to hate on guys like Busquets.

If Catalonia's problem will settle down soon and nothing bad will happen, then nothing will happen between pro-side and against-side.

So, it all depends on what will happen with Catalonia in general, how far will problems escalate, pressure, fights, riots, police and army interventions, will there be deaths and similar.

Professionalism is professionalism.
But we are animals beneath our skin and in dangerous situations, our animal nature (and decisions) wins against brains and professionalism.
In the time of peace, people are smart and evolved.
In the time of war, we turn into into animals.
Again, you are with us or against us.

 

[Windhook]

Please show me where exactly Pique has embraced independence.

The matter goes back some years. Back to the Catalan independence march, it was 2014 I think. Here is the Marca article and here is the photo:

These march photos are the beginning of Pique's trouble with the Spanish crowd in away games. I, myself, until recently thought he was 100% pro-Independence because of that photo. If not then he was there to celebrate his Catalan identity.

 

[Galning]

It is not a Catalan independence march. It is a march held every year on the National Day of Catalonia, 11th of September. Obviously, a lot of pro-independence people will attend it. But at the same time, it is a march for ALL Catalans. Not only nationalists.
The same way the referendum was for ALL Catalans, not only nationalists. But of course, Spanish media like to turn the Diada in some pro-independence day and the referendum about independentistas. You could go to the referendum and vote no, just like you can celebrate the national holiday without wanting the country to split. But of course that wouldn't suit Marca's narrative on Piqué.

 

[Windhook]

You know better, of course. I remember just some small portions of this march and most of the media told the story as it was an independence referendum march, attended by over 1 million people, not as National Day of Catalonia.

 

[Galning]

Yes of course, it is a bit of a grey area. The thing is that people will make it look like one thing or the other depending on which point they are trying to make.

 

[xXKonan]

According to Valverde, Busi came back from International duty with a knock.

Edit: May have been fake news.

 

[Barcaman]

According to Valverde, Busi came back from International duty with a knock.

Edit: May have been fake news.

Think I read that he trained normally.