Same, don't worry it's justified because Rakitic the sideways and backwards passing, press resistant merchant is having a better season than Busquets
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Same, don't worry it's justified because Rakitic the sideways and backwards passing, press resistant merchant is having a better season than Busquets
Andrew M
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Same, don't worry it's justified because Rakitic the sideways and backwards passing, press resistant merchant is having a better season than Busquets
Rakitic has played plenty of direct, forward passes to good effect.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
No one is above the club. This is not FC Money. If players come here for money and nothing else matters, no matter how good he is, get out.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
I am on "Busi is not that good anymore" train lately.
Messi is a burden to our team in terms that he wants a free role in every formation.
Then we have Busi who can play only in 433.
And then, 433 won't work because Messi wants a free role, for example.
So, we suck in a CL for years, we are already one dimensional and cases like Messi and Busi aren't helping either.
I would never sell Messi, but about Busi, imo, he is a type of a player who can play well only in 433 and when a team plays awesome and when he is surrounded by awesome midfielders.
I wouldn't give him a higher salary.
I would personally sell him for any price higher than 70-80M Euros, considering that he will be slower and slower and how we can't play anything but 433 with him.
Thanks for everything, but no one is greater than a club, especially a heavily declining player.
Messi is a burden to our team in terms that he wants a free role in every formation.
Then we have Busi who can play only in 433.
And then, 433 won't work because Messi wants a free role, for example.
So, we suck in a CL for years, we are already one dimensional and cases like Messi and Busi aren't helping either.
I would never sell Messi, but about Busi, imo, he is a type of a player who can play well only in 433 and when a team plays awesome and when he is surrounded by awesome midfielders.
I wouldn't give him a higher salary.
I would personally sell him for any price higher than 70-80M Euros, considering that he will be slower and slower and how we can't play anything but 433 with him.
Thanks for everything, but no one is greater than a club, especially a heavily declining player.
Blaugrana Bull
HiiiPoWeR
The last two pages.
Busi is our 2nd best player and as important as Messi. If somebody thinks he did not have a good season, they should quit watching football. Everybody is taking him for granted while he is being one of the best players in history. His usual play is above everyone else's.
Busi is our 2nd best player and as important as Messi. If somebody thinks he did not have a good season, they should quit watching football. Everybody is taking him for granted while he is being one of the best players in history. His usual play is above everyone else's.
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MessiCam
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Lol. The 2 best players on the team are the burdens... Wow.
And no Messi doesn’t want a free role. He wants a central role...
So what if Busquets is at his best when playing in a single pivot? He is not the first player to prefer it and he certainly won’t be the last. There are many systems you can play with a single pivot. 4-3-3/4-1-4-1/4-1-3-2/3-3-1-3...
How about Rakitic who is now useless in a 4-3-3 and must play in a double pivot? Suárez who can only play centrally? Why is it that Messi has had to move further away from goal so that Rakitic and Suárez can be comfortable? Why is that Paulinho/Gomes/Iniesta have had to play wide as a consequence?
When looking at the squad as a whole it is Rakitic and Suárez whom are the outliers and yet the system was adapted to accommodate them.
Aleñá will be promoted, Arthur is coming, Griezmann is coming, Oriol, depending on his recovery, might make the jump too... When this happens it leaves Rakitic and Suárez in an even more precarious situation because the squad is even more geared to 4-3-3.
serghei
Senior Member
The last two pages.
Busi is our 2nd best player and as important as Messi. If somebody thinks he did not have a good season, they should quit watching football. Everybody is taking him for granted while he is being one of the best players in history. His usual play is above everyone else's.
Wow, easy there. He's certainly not one of the best players in history. He has a 200m release clause. He has no right to ask more money after he's already the best paid midfielder and recently had an improved contract.
If somebody pay 200m he can go if he wants more money.
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BBZ8800
Senior Member
We are onedimensional due to still living under Pep's shadow with 433 with short players who are sterile in a CL when an opponent parks the bus around the box and when the edge of the box is crowded with defenders.
If you want to move to something new and more dimensional, you can't: because of a 433, Messi and Busquets, for example.
How can you buy a taller Cf who needs to play centrally if Messi also want to play centrally?
How can you move from 433 when Busi plays good only there (I know that you mentioned some other formations).
Look, if you are one of fans who think that 433 is still awesome and how short, technical players are the way to go, I can see why would you think that nothing is wrong with 433, Messi, Busi, burdens from Pep's era etc.
if you want to evolve and try to take a CL or two from RM in the next 10 years, then 433, short players, Messi, Busi, being one dimensional are huge burdens to our team.
I am not saying that we should get rid of all of burdens, but how it seems in this moment, in the next season:
1. we'll again play 433
2. we'll again play with short-technical players
3. we will still be one dimensional
4. Messi and Busi will still be burdens
5. RM will win a CL again, because of points 1 to 4, quite simple
In short, if you still believe that we should copy Pep's ideas, then saying bad about Busi is crazy.
If you want to evolve, then Busi is a questionable guy in our future plans.
we used 442 this year against Roma with only three players under 5'10 and produced our worst CL performance in recent history
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MessiCam
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Messi and Busquets are only 2 players in a team of 11. Your obsession with tall, strong players is bordering on insane right now.
And as I’ve said on many occasions previously, I have no issue with a striker playing ahead of Messi (tall, short or otherwise) but as long as it’s done in a way that doesn’t sacrifice the midfield. Playing any system with only 2 central midfielders is limiting for all concerned.
How did having tall, strong players in a double pivot... Like against Roma work out for you? We were completely overrun and it was worse than against PSG and Juventus. Much worse!
Further, Messi and Busquets have been the best performing players in a season when the system was built away from their strengths. How can they be considered burdens?
Busquets has outperformed Rakitic in almost every metric that matters in a system tailored to the latter and I’m not even taking into account his composure under pressure and his link to Messi further up field. Messi on the other hand was just doing Messi things. Outscoring everybody in Europe while playing further away from goal.
That you consider them burdens, when all things are considered, shows just how ridiculous such a claim is.
A team should be focussed on its strengths instead of making place for its outliers or to sign big, strong players because it’s fashionable.
Barça has decided a long time ago, before Pep, that they will play in a certain way. What you’re asking for is tantamount to an abandonment of the clubs philosophy and the stuff they try to teach their young players. They may as well remodel La Masia as well then...
It would appear to me that you’d be better served supporting another team that does employ the workhorse types you crave and that don’t have players like Busquets and Messi.
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MessiCam
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[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] considers our 2 best performers burdens and would much rather have us sign big, strong workhorses.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
No, I only want tactics which offers at least 2 different ways of finishing actions.
We don't have that since a summer of 2008'.
433, 442, 802, irrelevant as long as we can only pass a ball around the box and look for Messi in each action.
We could have played any formation this season, we would still end in the same fashion as in 6 of last 7 CL seasons.
Unlike Real, who can pass around the box, cross, score longrange shots etc.
We have the most sterile and most easy to predict tactics among top 5-6 teams.
So, we could have played with 11 Xavis or 11 Paulinhos this season, the end product would be the same:
Pass the ball around the box and pass to Messi who is surrounded by 4 players.
Then repeat the same for 90 minutes and expect wonders.
All recent CL failures were due to a onedimensional play with 3 short Cfs all the time.
Except when we had Suarez, but still, we don't cross too much even now with him.
Imagine Griezz-Messi-Dembele
Coutinho-Arthur/Rakitic-Busi next season.
What will happen against ANY parked bus in a CL?
= absolutely nothing
We will try to break through the middle till death, as always.
0:3 defeats against any team in a CL quarters.
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ASordidGod
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Is English your first language? Not meaning to be offensive, genuinely curious. Because if it is, then to refer to Messi and Busquets as "burdens" is honestly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. And not just on this forum, I mean anywhere, ever. Busquets is slow, sure, and Valverde's tactics do him no favours, but there is no-one in the world with his calmness, composure on the ball in and around his own area; he is so key if we want to play good football it's not even funny. And as for Messi, his lack of pressing needs to be worked around, admittedly, and it can be frustrating to observe, but to call him a burden when he's top scorer, top assists, top chances created... I'm genuinely speechless.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
BBZ you were saying a few weeks back that Barca were certs for the CL this season based on the 442 and more 'physical' players.
Now you are acting like it cannot be won with Messi and Busquets.
Barca never played a 'short' team or 433 away to Roma and got pumped.
Now you are acting like it cannot be won with Messi and Busquets.
Barca never played a 'short' team or 433 away to Roma and got pumped.
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