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Thiago Silva
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I'll never get tired laughing at this PL bias.
When he was at PSG, he was finished, weak mentally.
Now he is at Chelsea while having already declined a bit physically, he is a monster, a boss, the guy they needed to give balance to their team and their defence.
People just notice he is good because he plays in a PL club...
When he was at PSG, he was finished, weak mentally.
Now he is at Chelsea while having already declined a bit physically, he is a monster, a boss, the guy they needed to give balance to their team and their defence.
People just notice he is good because he plays in a PL club...
JamDav1982
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he is a monster, a boss, the guy they needed to give balance to their team and their defence.
Who is calling him that? Prrevious to that earlier in his career constantly held up as best CB in world for a while when discussed.
Been a decent signing to an atrocious Chelsea set of CBs and with Chilwell and more consistent James/Zouma have improved things for them at the back.
Dont think anyone is under any illusions he is past his best though.
The bias is more from likes of you who seem to have a chip on shoulder with PL.
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You just have to see how they are raving about him (Chelsea supporters or supporters of other PL clubs).
I have nothing against PL but i have something against shallow and narrow PL supporters. There are still some out there thinking players like Neymar or even Messi couldn't do it in their league. Messi scores for fun against PL teams everty time he faced them in CL.
And for some reason, those fans will hype Mbapp? who isn't fit to lace the boots of the two above. I thinkk this sums up what i think about them. They are hype bandwagonners.
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JamDav1982
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They are raving about Mendy, James, Chilwell and Thiago Silva for improving their defence.
He is not suddenly held up to some huge level where ignored in past. His name prior to VVD was pretty much always banded about as the best CB in the world.
This idea that PL only notice him when goes there is not true at all and just some lazy cliche.
With Messi...it is an old argument made by very few. The vast, vast majority would love him at their club and recognise him as best ever. The 'couldnt do it in cold night in stoke' is used to ridicule those who used to claim that more than anything.
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Lol.
It is not a cliche.
You just need to read what they write or frequent some of their forum.
You'll still find some of them saying Hazard is a better player than Neymar for example.
Nice you are talking about Mendy. He was a good but nothing special GK in France. Zouma too is nothing special. However, when you see them talking about those players, you could think they are some World Class players.
Another example is Zlatan. He was seen as a stat padder before he scored that famous goal against England national team and then joined MU. They only give credit to people who are "PL proven". You can't say that "PL proven" is not a thing. You cannot say you have not heard those people praise Cristiano Ronaldo because he has done it in different clubs and league while Messi didn't. As if Messi couldn't...
JamDav1982
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It is a cliche. You make out that Thiago Silva only just been noticed when has been held up as the best CB in world prior to VVD for most part.
You will find fans in France and Spain that have lop sided arguments. Happens everywhere.
Again you are showing your bias... Mendy and Zouma are not being held up as world class but better than they have had and improving team.
As said you look for reasons to back up chip on shoulder when not there nearly to extent make out.
Nonsense about 'PL proven' ask the average PL fan who is best ever and most common name will be Messi. Ask best midfield ever and it will be Barcas. Best midfielder ever be likes of Xavi.
If you think Ronaldo, Zidane, Xavi, Figo are not rated as not 'PL Proven' then all it shows is ignorance.
The argument about multi leagues for Ronaldo comes from everywhere there are Ronaldo fans, Juve, Man Utd, Portugal, Real fans all repeat that to some extent.
PL proven is a thing whether you like it or not.
You just have to type it on the internet. Whether it is article, fans, etc.
I didn't even have to go far to see a club, yes a club media use this exact formulation :
https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/1298710982869491715
Have you ever seen a player being rated as Serie A, La Liga, Ligue 1 or Bundesliga proven ?
They even admit it themselves :
https://castirontactics.medium.com/why-being-premier-league-proven-is-vastly-overrated-bd771c424ae
https://castirontactics.medium.com/why-being-premier-league-proven-is-vastly-overrated-bd771c424ae
JamDav1982
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Haha for fuck sake.
Some random article from three years ago
Well found.
Some random article from three years ago
Well found.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
No it isnt a thing to nearly extent you make out and proof is how the best players are regarded as those that have not played there. Just a cliche.
Yeah and what does the guy say ?
"It?s a concept repeated so broadly by people associated with English football that it?s passed into conventional wisdom.
And it?s absolute fucking nonsense.
We?re by no means the only offenders on peddling this shit, but we are currently the worst."
Seems like it is not so much a cliche.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Except in 2017 La Liga was widely held up as the best league and others playing catch up. Certainly top teams were seen as being in Spain.
Some random article that does not reflect the general feeling means nothing.
Attention seeking for clicks as trying to be controversial when spouting fake news is all that article is/was.
Attention seeking and spouting fake news article ?
The guy is talking about the transfer policy of West Ham. I don't see where you are going with comparing La Liga teams with West Ham. West Ham are hardly world beater in PL, let alone in Europe.
The point of the article is to oppose their narrow view of players being quality only if they have thise "PL proven" quality seal. A viewpoint that is "broadly associated with English football that it has passed into conventional wisdom". It is so much NOT A CLICHE that it has jeopardized their transfer policy.
Just a quick search in social media (this is where you'll find your common PL fan other than on their own forum) :
https://twitter.com/search?q=pl proven&src=typed_query
You can see they are quoting some useless players being good for their team just because they are PL proven.
I really don't know why you are fighting this fact, it is not a cliche but a reality whether you like it or not.
Maybe you feel attacked because you are yourself a PL fan.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
There a difference between clubs looking to sign MORE 'Premier League Proven' players and making out top players abroad are not rated due to not being 'Premier League Proven'
Because there has been so much money in EPL there has been a hell of a lot of money wasted on foreign players as seen as the latest shiny toy. Some clubs have moved away from that and tried to get more of a UK based squad and more signings who have proven can fit in to the EPL. That means everything from handling the intensity of it to being comfortable living there.
Interesting you highlight a West Ham opinion from 2017 when they were almost relegated through going after so many foreign players at a high cost and foreign coach all of which more or less caused them to lose their identity. Since then have solidified with 'PL Proven' coach in Moyes and more British based players and 'PL Proven' players at spin of team.
Someone like Ben Chilwell being PL Proven is a massive plus as some players regardless of ability dont fit in any league at times. See Di Maria at United as prime example.
You just take it to heart and try to make out that 'PL Proven' is used as some kind of final stamp of authority for top players and used over those who have not played there when it isnt.
You lack a basic understanding of what is being said and once again apply it to chip on shoulder.
The amazing part is you not understanding being 'PL Proven' is a consideration for teams spending so much money.
Because there has been so much money in EPL there has been a hell of a lot of money wasted on foreign players as seen as the latest shiny toy. Some clubs have moved away from that and tried to get more of a UK based squad and more signings who have proven can fit in to the EPL. That means everything from handling the intensity of it to being comfortable living there.
Interesting you highlight a West Ham opinion from 2017 when they were almost relegated through going after so many foreign players at a high cost and foreign coach all of which more or less caused them to lose their identity. Since then have solidified with 'PL Proven' coach in Moyes and more British based players and 'PL Proven' players at spin of team.
Someone like Ben Chilwell being PL Proven is a massive plus as some players regardless of ability dont fit in any league at times. See Di Maria at United as prime example.
You just take it to heart and try to make out that 'PL Proven' is used as some kind of final stamp of authority for top players and used over those who have not played there when it isnt.
You lack a basic understanding of what is being said and once again apply it to chip on shoulder.
The amazing part is you not understanding being 'PL Proven' is a consideration for teams spending so much money.
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