BBZ8800
Senior Member
A good one.
When you start a reply how we won something with small players in 2009 or 2011, when the opponents haven't figured out Tiki-Taka yet and when we had 2 best Cms ever, in their prime...
Well, that's beyond crazy reply.
You'll need 20 years until you will figure out that football is evolving all the time.
So, Barca won a CL in 1992 with short players, and that is "a proof" how it is working?
Milan won way more titles in that era, with more physical (and yet technical) players.
What about that then?
Physique won even then.
You are reading my posts, but you either didn't read them or you didn't get them.
You can have a few Iniestas and Coutinhos on a field.
You CAN'T have 11 Iniestas on a field in 2018, though, that is my point.
RM had some short players, but in general, their recent team:
1. is taller and physically stronger than ours
2. is way faster than our team
3. they can score goals with feet, head, longshots and set pieces due to their different physical profile
We can score goals only in one way though (through the ground, with feet, from inside of a box), which makes us one dimensional when the opponent neutralizes us.
Yes.
This is why teams filled with short players have been winning CLs and World cups AFTER Tiki-Taka has been figured out.
Oh, wait.
They didn't won a single big trophy, more or less (except MSN's Barca).
Messi is awesome.
Put him in a slightly more physical team like a current RM or Bayern (in the last 5-6 years), and he would have won more CLs very likely.
Because England suck.
Why isn't Spain winning trophies anymore AFTER Tiki-Taka has been figured out, even though they have short players?
Also, why Spain never won anything (except one Euro 50 years ago), UNTIL Tiki-Taka (which worked for 3-4 years), if short players are so magical?
So, why was Spain losing for 100 years, except during a Golden Tiki-Taka era?
So, maybe it is NOT about short players, but:
1. Tiki-Taka and opponents who didn't have a clue for a few years how to defend against it
2. having Xavi and Iniesta (and Busi) together in a team
If you would put Xavi and Iniesta in England's team, even those guys would probably win 1 Euro or a World cup.
This is why we have +20 points over RM.
Which never happened with short players.
But, don't look at stats.
Stats are bad.
You will live in 2009 for the next 50 years, won't you?
Yes, 2009 was a great year.
We are in 2018 now.
There were a lot of times when physical guys were making fan of our short guys.
Do I need to post Chelsea:Barcelona 4:2 one more time, over and over?
Sometimes short guys rule.
Sometimes stronger guys rule.
But imo, the thing is, that lately teams with filled with MOSTLY short guys are winning way less than in 1992 or in 2009.
About me being Barca's fan.
Imagine that we continue with short guys.
And that we fail over and over for the next 50 years.
Would you:
1. continue with short guys further even though we are losing all the time?
2. or would you try to evolve and try something new, even though a new thing may be different to our classical approach?
You don't need to answer. I already see that you would rather lose all the time playing "Barca's way" than trying to evolve and try something new.
1. physical players from PSG ate Barca in the first match 4:0
2. then we won 6:1
3. then physical guys from Juve ate as alive again 2 weeks later with 3:0
Why don't you talk about that?
This is forum.
We post opinions here.
I personally don't want to see a 3 men midfield in 2018, where 2 guys are around 170cm, with Messi (who doesn't defend) and Dembele (who can't defend) are infront of him.
Imo, the same as majority of posters, you are looking at football in a simplified way.
Pele this, Maradona that, Thiago this, Verratti that.
You are looking only at shiny players with nice passes and technical skills.
Where is a word defending and some balance in your ideas?
You say that we lack quality midfielders.
Imo, no. For majority of time in our history, we lacked balance.
We always play too attacking and we usually (except during Xavi-Iniesta) didn't have too much stability in defense nor in midfield (in terms of defending).
My opinion is that Dembele won't make it.
And that Suarez is old and will be benched soon.
So, we could play 442 with Cou-Raki-Busi-someone plus Messi and Griezz in attack.
But if Iniesta will be a starter for 1-2 years, if Suarez will want to play for 5 more years, if Dembele will need to be a starter, then yes, we are in big problems.
I would buy Griezmann and benched/sell some players.
But that will never happen.
So, again, yes, we'll have problems.
In attacking sense, on paper that team looks good.
In defense, that midfield (Coutinho and Thiago) plus Messi and Dembele (zero defending) could win a CL only if we'll face Basel, Shakthtar, Porto and Arsenal on our road to a CL final each year.
That is basically a team with 4-5 players who are not defending at all (Messi, Luis, Dembele, Coutinho and then Thiago and Busi will defend alone)
Thiago and Coutinho could play though, in 442 with Busquets and Rakitic.
But then Dembele and Griezmann/Suarez will watch matches on a Tv.
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You mean Nothanks?
