Too Much Revisionism

serghei

serghei

Senior Member
Messigician said:
Sure, but it isn't as if we were singing 34 year olds for 80m lol.

Dembele and Coutinho you could see the logic and if they were a success who knows. Not like Dembele was injury prone at Dortmund
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Nah, you couldn't tbh. Dembele had just 1 top season at Dortmund. We signed Gomes on a purple patch of form as well, turns out those games he had vs Madrid and Barca that season were not the norm for him. We should have waited some more. Coutinho played his best football under an absolutely elite manager like Klopp. Who says a player will give the same output when you take him from a setup and put him in another?

Hindsight is bliss, but right now, neither of our signings was in the same vicinity of being certain like a Haaland or Mbappe right now. I can say with 95% certainty that Haaland and Mbappe will deliver at their next clubs no matter what club that is and no matter the manager,

Dembele and Coutinho were signed for similar money, but were never able to guarantee the same degree of certainty. Tuchel and Klopp did great with them. The players weren't the stars Barca bought them to be.
 
Messigician

Messigician

Senior Member
serghei said:
Nah, you couldn't tbh. Dembele had just 1 top season at Dortmund. We signed Gomes on a purple patch of form as well, turns out those games he had vs Madrid and Barca that season were not the norm for him. We should have waited some more. Coutinho played his best football under an absolutely elite manager like Klopp. Who says a player will give the same output when you take him from a setup and put him in another?

Hindsight is bliss, but right now, neither of our signings was in the same vicinity of being certain like a Haaland or Mbappe right now. I can say with 95% certainty that Haaland and Mbappe will deliver at their next clubs no matter what club that is and no matter the manager,

Dembele and Coutinho were signed for similar money, but were never able to guarantee the same degree of certainty. Tuchel and Klopp did great with them. The players weren't the stars Barca bought them to be.
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Sure but again Neymar leaving that late in the transfer window fucked us. Who do we go for in your opinion? There's no sure transfers in football, everyone was saying Hazard was a no brainer now look at him lol
 
J

JamDav1982

Senior Member
serghei said:
You are a child believing Pep's bullshit PR reasons. Everyone with a brain knows Pep left because he didn't like working with a board he had no connection with. At City he has control, and voila, he spends more time than at Barca even though he didn't have even half the success.

Rosell and Bartomeu took the club and driven it into a galactico model to make them the heroes for assembling a stellar team. They were on a mission to cut ties from the Laporta golden era to "establish" their own legacy. Their whole agenda was making the club success seem their masterplan, THEIR master plan, not the manager's work. Laporta was less vain, he didn't have a problem with the fact that Guardiola took most of the laurels for the dream team being created, after all HE WAS the biggest piece of the puzzle (not like some clueless fans think that it was all Messi). It's basically Rosell and later Bartomeu trying to impersonate the Galactico Florentino era of 2000-2004.

Pep had such a big aura that Rosell was 2nd fiddle at the time. That was unacceptable. Of course, they had no chance in the public eye going to war with the greatest manager in the club's history so they undermined him silently by veto-ing his options. The 2012 moment needed squad changes. It's a key moment in time where you either vouch for the manager and go with his judgment, or you cut him loose and look to build your own thing. The cycle was coming to an end, so if the board is blocking the rebuild, the manager has no choice but to go somewhere where he does have control over his own team.
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Pep left for the reasons he gave and there is no PR involved. There has not been a 'galactico' model. You seem to use that word without knowing what Real Madrid did.

Coaches dont last long at Barca and lasted about as long if not longer than he predicted at the start.

City is completely different and he may well have left there by now had he wont everything there was to win in first season and a couple CLs.

The idea to cut from Laporta was not there as much as made out and Pep was given almost full control and as much as he was previously.

Rosell was desperate for Pep to stay and their was no rebuild blocked.
 
Messigician

Messigician

Senior Member
From Lufstalag14

Bartomeu was visionary and did many things right on the corporate side to diversify and expand our revenue in the future (establishing BIHUB, which Real Madrid copied from us and launched their own Real Madrid Next; establishing Barca Studios, was ambitious enough to sign an acclaimed director to produce original content, had a cartoon series targeting kids, launching our own OTT Barca TV+; forming BLM to take merchandising in house), these are things that will take time and bear fruits in the long term. However on the core part of the business he was going crazy with spending, both on transfers and wages, assuming that our revenue will keep growing without hitches. Basically he put all the eggs in one basket without any contingency plans and recourse.
 
Messigician

Messigician

Senior Member
To add to that his plan go sell Barca corporate with a buy back clause to renew Messi is sound and Laporta should have done it
 
Windhook

Windhook

Well-known member
The revisionism is here in this forum and the fan community. Laporta has put things done by the previous board behind him and working on the future of the club. That's how I believe it should be done. No need for him seek any rating boosts with statements against Bartomeu. Anyway the man is already the most hated person in Barca community, a Hitler-like figure.:lol:
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
Messigician said:
Pep didn't leave because of that lol Rosell bend over backwards to keep him.

Same with Bayern but no manager is above the club until man city where pep has a blank cheque and can forge his legacy.

EVEN STILL! Pep is set to leave and coach a national team he also is adamant he will never coach here again even with Laporta
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He is adamant, because he took his decision back then, and now he wants to checklist the other goals he has in his mind...

But, BACK THEN, despite being certain he will leave one day (because he is ambitious and wanted to prove himself elsewhere, unlike complacent Xavi nowadays) it was still open WHEN he will leave. He could have stayed 5,7, or even 8-9 years...
He stayed only 4 fucking season at the club of his heart, and he has already completed 5, and on course for 7, at City, under the director of football and technical director he had at Barca BACK THEN (lol, do you realize that?)
Why would he do that, when at City -despite all the blank cheques - he has a squad much inferior for the football he wants to teach compared to the squad he had back then at Barca??

It does NOT make sense. All that is really BS, and not the real reason he left THEN.
It's because under Rossell, he would not have the authority and full control on the dressing room, on making decisions like who will leave and who will stay..
It's been leaked everywhere that he saw the complacency of the squad coming, and he wanted to perform sweeping changes
Read Pique's recent interview, you will see that VERY VERY clearly

Rossell is the prime reason Pep stayed 4 and not 6 or 8 years at Barca
Get it straight

PS: On Barto, it's not even debatable LOL :lol:
Of course he is responsible for everything.
For instilling the Galactico model that is historically proper to our biggest rival and not to Barca's culture and identity,
for never investing on a top coach,
for tolerating the Amigo power,
for tolerating successive humiliations,
but first and foremost for PURPOSEFULLY (I am not naive to believe he did all that unknowingly) drove the club financially to the ground
 
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