Why was Tata so bad?

[Messigician]

That 2013 season is one of the worst for a Barca team I ever seen

Wasted Xavi and Iniesta’s last prime year, wasted a Messi prime year

We were so bad I don’t get it was the coach just that awful or was it other factors that led into play?

Discuss

 

[Maradona37]

It was a poor season for Barca indeed. Not sure why really. He just seemed totally out of his depth but then he did an ok job with Mexico and seemed a fairly competent manager before Barca.

I think the job of (in my opinion) the second-biggest club in the world was just too big for him. Sometimes it's just that simple.

 

[TheStig]

He wasn't that bad, just the standards back then were extremly high. It was miles better than the shit we are watching in the last 5 years (to be fair, the squad was miles better too)

 

[iniestaGOAT]

It was a poor season for Barca indeed. Not sure why really. He just seemed totally out of his depth but then he did an ok job with Mexico and seemed a fairly competent manager before Barca.

I think the job of (in my opinion) the second-biggest club in the world was just too big for him. Sometimes it's just that simple.

Second biggest? Let me guess.. another MADRID dickrider.

 

[Maradona37]

Second biggest? Let me guess.. another MADRID dickrider.

Not a dickrider. You're talking bollocks. I am not a Barca fan but always liked the club and VASTLY supported them over Real Madrid and still do. I always wanted them to beat Real.

But Real are a bigger club to many. It's like how I'd call Man United a bigger club than Man City or Liverpool but always want United to lose to those clubs.

It's hardly controversial to call Real Madrid the world's biggest football club. Ultimately the club size thing is meaningless cock-swinging anyway. The fact you take that as me liking them shows either your idiocy or your insecurity. You choose.

Go read the post I made in the Real Madrid thread about Barca being a more special club.

 

[Maradona37]

I will quote my post in the Real thread, adding context. Does this sound like a 'RM dickrider'? You really are a child

"Madrid have won much more, but as someone who supports neither club, they have never had a team like Pep's 2009 or 2011 teams (not even the teams in the 50s). Furthermore, I have rarely been impressed by Real post 2009, despite winning a lot. They often win trophies without being the best team or playing the best football, which is a charge you cannot level at Barca. Barca destroyed their opposition in the 2009, 2011 and 2015 CL Finals. The only CL Final Real convinced in was 2017. 2014, 2016, 2018, 2022, and 2024 they were arguably the inferior team, but they get over the line - there's zero romance or purity in that.

More accurate to say Madrid have a relentless but hollow ability to win. Barca win less, but they do it with romance and style and artistry, and it is more memorable when Barca win than when Real Madrid win.

The fact is no Real Madrid team in history can beat Barca 2011. Real Madrid can win all they like while being outplayed, but I am a big believer in the beauty of football. Netherlands lost the 1974 World Cup final to West Germany, Hungary lost the 1954 final to the West Germans - but I consider the losing team better and superior to watch.

This is a very long-winded way of saying Real Madrid win, but they don't often leave you thinking 'wow'. Barca do leave you thinking 'wow'.

You say Madrid are special? I think it's the other way around - Barca are special as they have a philosophy and way of playing in their heyday that is football from our dreams. Barca and Pep have totally revolutionised and influenced modern football. Real Madrid don't have that. They just win while rarely convincing, it's fucking cheap and shite to watch. Real are the biggest club in the world, but there's something very hollow about them that is hard to explain."

 

[iniestaGOAT]

I will quote my post in the Real thread, adding context. Does this sound like a 'RM dickrider'? You really are a child

"Madrid have won much more, but as someone who supports neither club, they have never had a team like Pep's 2009 or 2011 teams (not even the teams in the 50s). Furthermore, I have rarely been impressed by Real post 2009, despite winning a lot. They often win trophies without being the best team or playing the best football, which is a charge you cannot level at Barca. Barca destroyed their opposition in the 2009, 2011 and 2015 CL Finals. The only CL Final Real convinced in was 2017. 2014, 2016, 2018, 2022, and 2024 they were arguably the inferior team, but they get over the line - there's zero romance or purity in that.

More accurate to say Madrid have a relentless but hollow ability to win. Barca win less, but they do it with romance and style and artistry, and it is more memorable when Barca win than when Real Madrid win.

The fact is no Real Madrid team in history can beat Barca 2011. Real Madrid can win all they like while being outplayed, but I am a big believer in the beauty of football. Netherlands lost the 1974 World Cup final to West Germany, Hungary lost the 1954 final to the West Germans - but I consider the losing team better and superior to watch.

This is a very long-winded way of saying Real Madrid win, but they don't often leave you thinking 'wow'. Barca do leave you thinking 'wow'.

You say Madrid are special? I think it's the other way around - Barca are special as they have a philosophy and way of playing in their heyday that is football from our dreams. Barca and Pep have totally revolutionised and influenced modern football. Real Madrid don't have that. They just win while rarely convincing, it's fucking cheap and shite to watch. Real are the biggest club in the world, but there's something very hollow about them that is hard to explain."

in short BARCELONA is God's gift to Football.
Barcelona's contribution to the game will never be matched.

And it is rightfully the biggest club in the world.

 

[Maradona37]

in short BARCELONA is God's gift to Football.
Barcelona's contribution to the game will never be matched.

And it is rightfully the biggest club in the world.

Yes, Real Madrid are (in my view) the only club who can compete with Barca for size of club. Barca indeed play the best football, have had the best club team ever, and have had so many of the world's best players ever.

Clubs like Man United, who talk themselves up, are utter frauds in a debate with the Clasico teams.

Glad we could reach some level of consensus.

 

[TheStig]

Of course Madrid is the biggest club in the world. History, fans and especially titles through history show that. Barca had the best team and players but we are so far behind them with titles that it's not a competition.

 

[Maradona37]

Of course Madrid is the biggest club in the world. History, fans and especially titles through history show that. Barca had the best team and players but we are so far behind them with titles that it's not a competition.

That's the point I made. Real have quantity and Barca have quality - Barca's wins seem more special and deserved in the main, at least since 2006, but RM win a lot more even if it does seem more fluky and like they weren't always the best team.

For most fans quantity will matter more than quality.

Ultimately though it doesn't matter who the biggest club is (though it does seem to give Real a psychological advantage in these big games, so could be self-fulfilling prophecy). For MOST clubs, in sporting terms, all that matters is the here and now and doing well on the pitch.

United are a bigger club than City, but in fifty years City will likely be thought of as bigger, assuming they can continue to maintain the success of the Pep era

 

[Birdy]

What you expect from handpicked by Messi to be the coach?

Messi having SD qualities ?

 

[Rory]

I don't remember much from that season, which probably says something. But it's really exaggerated how bad it was. Lost the league by 3 points, unluckily too, we scored a legit goal vs Atletico which would have meant we win it. Lost a copa del rey final 2-1 to Real Madrid. Narrowly lost to Atletico in the UCL quarter final. Small margins

 

[Birdy]

I don't remember much from that season, which probably says something. But it's really exaggerated how bad it was. Lost the league by 3 points, unluckily too, we scored a legit goal vs Atletico which would have meant we win it. Lost a copa del rey final 2-1 to Real Madrid. Narrowly lost to Atletico in the UCL quarter final. Small margins

We were really bad, because we could have walked that league against Atleti and a meh Madrid.
Narrow loses says little, since there should have been big wins or big gaps in the table in our favor

As for Tata, on a serious note, he wanted to play something different, that the entitled Amigos of the time, with Xavi as a leader, did not let him. So, we ended up with a watered down version of declined tiki taka

 

[soul24rage]

- Messi injured and lost his speed
- Against Prime Atletico and RM with Black voodoo magic.
- Robbed of La Liga title
- Reached the Copa Final

A bad season by Barca's standards but there were worse seasons.

 

[Birdy]

- Messi injured and lost his speed
- Against Prime Atletico and RM with Black voodoo magic.
- Robbed of La Liga title
- Reached the Copa Final

A bad season by Barca's standards but there were worse seasons.

Don't sweeten the pill

- Messi was still prime, and even semi-injured could determine games
- Atletico only won the league because Barca and Madrid failed round after round after round to establish a lead, and not drop points against minnows
- Robbed by refs, yes. But we shouldn't have let it drag into the final matchday
- CpR final says little given the low competition, and that we lost it in disgraceful manner

RM had usual voodoo in CL, not in the league. They don't have it there