World Cup 2018

[JamDav1982]

Interesting, but not 100% right.
I would expand it to: teams who play possession football and who are better during the match, most often lose in the end, like Barca, Brasil, Spain and similar.

Real in a CL is usually the better team, and they are never losing.
Because: when they have the ball, they try fast counters, direct football and don't slow down the game.

Barca, Spain, Brasil, play possession around the opponent's box and most often can't break the physical bus and then lose on counters since they are attacking with way too many players.

So, maybe being better is not flawed.
But being better and play slow-possession-based football and letting the opponent to organize their defense each time=is a recipe for a disaster in 2018'.

Except in a league competition.
This recipe works well if you are a WAY BETTER team (Barca vs Getafe, City vs Stoke etc).
It doesn't work against Atletico, Juve, Liverpool, more or less against anyone.

You predicted Barca were nailed on CL winners during QFs and said Germany were team ideal to your theories in this WC.

Brazil created plenty of chances in that game. Finishing cost them more than any inability to open a team of physical giants.

One of those big physical players for Brazil was the worst player on pitch by far.

 

[Joan]

BBZ, are you making a classic possession football team out of Brazil?

Brazil is pretty multidimensional, solid defensively and versatile in attack.

Very balanced team.

 

[DonAK]

BBZ, are you making a classic possession football team out of Brazil?

Brazil is pretty multidimensional, solid defensively and versatile in attack.

Right now even BBZ doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[te amo barca]

Interesting, but not 100% right.
I would expand it to: teams who play possession football and who are better during the match, most often lose in the end, like Barca, Brasil, Spain and similar.

Real in a CL is usually the better team, and they are never losing.
Because: when they have the ball, they try fast counters, direct football and don't slow down the game.

Barca, Spain, Brasil, play possession around the opponent's box and most often can't break the physical bus and then lose on counters since they are attacking with way too many players.

So, maybe being better is not flawed.
But being better and play slow-possession-based football and letting the opponent to organize their defense each time=is a recipe for a disaster in 2018'.

Except in a league competition.
This recipe works well if you are a WAY BETTER team (Barca vs Getafe, City vs Stoke etc).
It doesn't work against Atletico, Juve, Liverpool, more or less against anyone.

The thing is that the pitch is just too big for slow possession-based football to allow any mistakes. One bad pass and it is a promising counter if the players are fast enough. Possession-based football works flawlessly in futsal where it is crucial to control the game and dominate. Football has become way more fast paced during the last decade, and negative defensive possession football is not working any more. It is a good tactic to waste time, but it is a complete mess when it comes to chance creation. If one is to play possession-based football, he ought to do it with bravery and imagination like Japan did during this WC. Spain and Barca of the last 2 seasons are prime examples of how NOT to play possession-based football.

 

[BBZ8800]

One more interesting stat:
Two NT teams which played the closest like Barca (Spain and Brasil) won ZERO matches against organised European teams:

Spainortugal 3:3
Spain:Russia 1:1 (defeat at penalty kicks)
Brasil:Switzerland 1:1
Brasil:Belgium 1:2

Again, this could be just a coincidence.
But haven't some of you had a deja vu, while watching Brasil tonight or Spain in their matches, and remembering 100s of similar Barca's game in a CL?
When we attack and attack (and have a possessiona round the box), yet we can't score and we are conceding and conceding and conceding.

This type of a slow-possession football obviously isn't too effective anymore against big European clubs or against any tactically organized European NT team.

 

[BruceWayne11]

By dominant, you mean had the most possession and most shots, right? Thing is, those statistics simply aren't relevant, it's the one in the top left of the screen that counts. There is more than one way to win football matches, and they're all equally valid, so long as teams stay within the laws of the game. Belgium took full advantage of Brazil's ineptitude in the first half and then held on to win in the second. They deserved their win because frankly, they attacked the other team's goal and defended their own, better than the opposition.

Dominance in ability, possession, chances created etc. All easily seen when watching a match. 2 goals with 1 shot for Belgium, and you know how much of an uphill struggle that will be for Brazil. Because it's rare that any team scores more than 2-3 goals. Somehow they lucked 2 from 1 shot on goal. There's no remedy for the more dominant team to that kind of luck in an important match. I think I'm just tired of seeing things like how Real Madrid won CL and now more luck, mistakes etc being important in the WC...

 

[DonAK]

Well you know, finish your chances.

Playing Firmino over Gabriel Jesus and Douglas Costa over a pathetic Willian might have helped.

 

[JamDav1982]

One more interesting stat:
Two NT teams which played the closest like Barca (Spain and Brasil) won ZERO matches against organised European teams:

Spainortugal 3:3
Spain:Russia 1:1 (defeat at penalty kicks)
Brasil:Switzerland 1:1
Brasil:Belgium 1:2

Again, this could be just a coincidence.
But haven't some of you had a deja vu, while watching Brasil tonight or Spain in their matches, and remembering 100s of similar Barca's game in a CL?
When we attack and attack (and have a possessiona round the box), yet we can't score and we are conceding and conceding and conceding.

This type of a slow-possession football obviously isn't too effective anymore against big European clubs or against any tactically organized European NT team.

How many games did the German team who you said closest match your ideas win?

Brazil did not struggle to creat against Belgium they struggled to finish off the countless chances they had.

Again... you predicted Barca as nailed on winners of CL anyway.

On top of that you said Spain were different from Barca due to Costa at CF as well.

You constantly change the goal posts and talk after the event to fit pre conceived ideas.

 

[BBZ8800]

BBZ, are you making a classic possession football team out of Brazil?

Brazil is pretty multidimensional, solid defensively and versatile in attack.

Very balanced team.

In attack they had 175 cm tall Neymar, Jesus and Willian, and short and slow Coutinho behind them.
They could have played only possession with them, solo actions (dribbles) and some counters.

So, I don't see Brasil as THAT versatile in attack.
They are more-dimensional than Messi-dependant Barca though, but:
1. they can't play crosses due to short attackers (Jesus)
2. they don't play counters too much since Neymar is slowing down every action

So, even though Brasil is not the same as Barca, imo, they are way closer to Barca/Spain than to Real/Liverpool or other direct teams.

 

[te amo barca]

One more interesting stat:
Two NT teams which played the closest like Barca (Spain and Brasil) won ZERO matches against organised European teams:

Spainortugal 3:3
Spain:Russia 1:1 (defeat at penalty kicks)
Brasil:Switzerland 1:1
Brasil:Belgium 1:2

Again, this could be just a coincidence.
But haven't some of you had a deja vu, while watching Brasil tonight or Spain in their matches, and remembering 100s of similar Barca's game in a CL?
When we attack and attack (and have a possessiona round the box), yet we can't score and we are conceding and conceding and conceding.

This type of a slow-possession football obviously isn't too effective anymore against big European clubs or against any tactically organized European NT team.

Germany is much more like Barca than Brazil is. Tite's Brazil is more of a counter-attacking team really.

 

[Joan]

If Barca played anything like Brazil, nobody would complain about us being one-dimensional.

Two thugs in the midfield, by the way.

 

[Vilarrubi]

It doesn't work against Atletico

Atletico have won 1 game in the last 15 against us...............................................

Atletico also have arguably the best defence and "Physical Bus" we've seen of the last few years.

The players in our midfield is the problem.. NOT the possession football.

Absolute nonsense from you once again

 

[JamDav1982]

If Barca played anything like Brazil, nobody would complain about us being one-dimensional.

Two thugs in the midfield, by the way.

One of those thugs was terrible and about biggest reason they lost as well but that will be glossed over in BBZ latest rules after the event.

 

[Hamzah]

No team ever won without thuggery

 

[Joan]

In attack they had 175 cm tall Neymar, Jesus and Willian, and short and slow Coutinho behind them.
They could have played only possession with them, solo actions (dribbles) and some counters.

So, I don't see Brasil as THAT versatile in attack.
They are more-dimensional than Messi-dependant Barca though, but:
1. they can't play crosses due to short attackers (Jesus)
2. they don't play counters too much since Neymar is slowing down every action

So, even though Brasil is not the same as Barca, imo, they are way closer to Barca/Spain than to Real/Liverpool or other direct teams.

They don't have tall attackers but that's why they keep playing Paulinho and Renato among others. After all, didn't they score after a cross?

Very dangerous after corners and play good counters.

Anyways, I do agree about your point in general. Physicality and pace have become more crucial than ever.

BUT, Brazil is just a poor example.

Brazil created 3 big chances. Belgium 0.
Brazil had 10 shots on goal. Belgium 3.

They weren't really sterile or outplayed.