World Cup 2018

[JamDav1982]

Well then we agree. Every single player in the world can in fact pick and chose country they wish to play for. In case of England and France its case of having 500m + people from Africa and Carribean gravitating towards them duo to their colonial status, strong historical and cultural ties. That is why its incredible coincidence that 8 out of 10 players in French NT have roots in those ex colonial countries.

No players can not pick and choose who they play for outwith who they are eligible to play for.

No coincidence on French players having heritage from those African countries. Perfectly understandable

Neither France or UK have ever had anywhere close to 500m people gravitating towards them.

All the bigger nations have histories of mass migration.

 

[dakt]

You brought it up already to excuse yourself for any potential outcome. Timing isn't all that relevant, it's just about discrediting your opponent to proclaim that you are already the more deserving team. It would have not been much better had you said it with 4-0 up.

If you search my posts I said probably about 2 weeks ago that France is the only African team left in the tournament. Did I said that to discredit my future opponent, or was that a hummor?
And what if I really did that? We all do that all the times when playing against RM, when saints from these boards call Cristiano or Ramos a cunt, but they are quick to mock and judge others on some made up racism. Why isn't that a typical sport competition folklore . "madrid cabron saluda al campeon". How dare we!? How fluid is this moral framework...

 

[Luftstalag14]

If you search my posts I said probably about 2 weeks ago that France is the only African team left in the tournament. Did I said that to discredit my future opponent, or was that a hummor?
And what if I really did that? We all do that all the times when playing against RM, when saints from these boards call Cristiano or Ramos a cunt, but they are quick to mock and judge others on some made up racism. Why isn't that a typical sport competition folklore . "madrid cabron saluda al campeon". How dare we!? How fluid is this moral framework...

Calling Ronaldo, Ramos (or anybody) a cunt is very different from calling the French NT an African team.

 

[blaugrana1987]

No players can not pick and choose who they play for outwith who they are eligible to play for.

No coincidence on French players having heritage from those African countries. Perfectly understandable

Neither France or UK have ever had anywhere close to 500m people gravitating towards them.

All the bigger nations have histories of mass migration.

I think we agree on everything actually. Im just saying there is a reason why 8/10 players in French NT have roots in theri ex colonies AND will continue to have so in generations that come. Not from Japan, not from Thailand or Argentina, but from few specific African countries that they have and have had direct historical, longuistic and cultural ties for hundreds of years duo to colonialism.

I think this is first time I actually agree with you.

 

[Mitchell1978]

Its been a great world cup, lots of drama and goals, like it should be.

8 years until next real world cup though, shame about that.

Say what you want about Russia (and the biased western press talked a lot of shit beforehand) put they organised a great tournament.
But Qatar... what a joke.

 

[JamDav1982]

I think we agree on everything actually. Im just saying there is a reason why 8/10 players in French NT have roots in theri ex colonies AND will continue to have so in generations that come. Not from Japan, not from Thailand or Argentina, but from few specific African countries that they have and have had direct historical, longuistic and cultural ties for hundreds of years duo to colonialism.

I think this is first time I actually agree with you.

The reason is obvious why those Frenchmen that won World Cup have such diverse heritage.

Populations all over the world are fluid and all have different reasons for their make up.

 

[DennyCrane]

Why isn't that a typical sport competition folklore . "madrid cabron saluda al campeon". How dare we!?

I think as culés we owe an apology to all the cabrons out there for associating them with the likes of Real Madrid.

 

[blaugrana1987]

The reason is obvious why those Frenchmen that won World Cup have such diverse heritage.

Populations all over the world are fluid and all have different reasons for their make up.

Agreed. Its coincidence that 3 countries with most diverse teams (read : players with roots from Africa), France, Belgium and England all have had biggest hand in colonizing exact countries where their diverse team members come from.

Its because population are fluid, definitely not because of their colonial past that have pretty much made those countries their vassals as far as football goes.

 

[JamDav1982]

Agreed. Its coincidence that 3 countries with most diverse teams (read : players with roots from Africa), France, Belgium and England all have had biggest hand in colonizing exact countries where their diverse team members come from.

Its because population are fluid, definitely not because of their colonial past that have pretty much made those countries their vassals as far as football goes.

Nope no coincidence.

 

[dakt]

Calling Ronaldo, Ramos (or anybody) a cunt is very different from calling the French NT an African team.

You have to be more concrete. You're saying it's ok to attack person verbally, but it's not OK to discredit a NT?

 

[Yannik]

Croatia 61 % possession against France more shots on goal as well. Croatia dominated the first half, only the ref gifted France 2 goals.

- we already had debates about possession football and I think it's clear by now it's meaningless if you don't use it smart
- Croatia had more shots, yet barely any actual goal chance. Just amassing half chances and being lucky during the 2nd goal
- 2nd goal by France was an understandable pen decision

France play like a last place team does when they play a team like barça or City, they start the match first and foremost looking not to concede, everybody behind the ball, 2 or 3 defensive midfielders. Goals have to come from set pieces and maybe a counter. And a lot of those set pieces come from cheating (like the Griezmann free kick for the first goal) then there's the time wasting and so on
And yet they have the talent to play a lot more dominant and attacking football.

Thats what i mean with cynical negative football.

This is how Real Madrid wins CL year in and out, yet people think it's an inferior type of football because it's not as visually pleasing as brainlessly throwing attackers upfront, playing handball around the box and then wondering why they're exposed on the counter.

They might have won but apart fromt there own people they didn't charm anybody like Croatia or Belgium did.

And how exactly did Belgium and Croatia charm? Belgium was on the verge of R16 elimination against Japan, and what people found actually charming about Croatia is that they're the romantic underdog. Other than that they have not actually won a single KO stage game over 90 minutes in this entire worldcup despite being on the weak side of the bracket. And they've gone behind in every single one of those games. No such "dominant" game you describe here. Let's be honest: If this was Germany or Brazil, people would find fuck all charming about scrapping narrow penalty shootout victories to Denmark and Russia.

There was no great team in this WC, but France did the best from those we had. Unexciting, but solid and never greatly troubled despite having had the hardest route to the final.

 

[dakt]

I think as culés we owe an apology to all the cabrons out there for associating them with the likes of Real Madrid.

I would love to agree, but I'm not allowed to.

 

[Joan]

You have to be more concrete. You're saying it's ok to attack person verbally, but it's not OK to discredit a NT?

It's a very fine principle which I accept. We are allowed to call on people for what they choose to do or be, but not for what's set and given. Therefore, I don't think it's OK to attack someone for being black, white or something else, but it's totally fine to shout 'cunt' when speaking of Ramos.

But anyways, I don't believe you attacked their NT. Being African is in no way a bad thing. I see no racism there.

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Can't say that France didn't deserved it . Deschamps took a leaf out of Santo's book after losing to Portugal in euro's and effectively used it in the world cup . Argentina , Uruguay , Belgium , Croatia . They had one of the toughest route to final . I was surprised at the way Argentina fought against them despite being tactically stupid for most part of the match . Then they had Uruguay with world class defense and then Belgium and croatia with their golden generation of players . Congo France , though i was routing for Croatia .

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Kylian goal was similar to Eder's goal in Euro final . Change in fortunes for France . They should be winning the next Euro comfortably unless some other team puts in a defensive shift . May be Denmark ? . Who knows .