Would you like Arda Turan at Barça?

[FCBarca]

It's obvious Lucho requested him. Thus the surprise at choice (Turan is hardly a crowd pleasing signing) and the high fee.

How is it so obvious?

 

[Irish_Cules]

The problem with all of this is that the deal is being organised and pushed by the stand in board who are just doing Barto's will. None of this should be happening until the president is elected. Even if Lucho requested it it shouldnt be happening.

However, if he comes after the election then I'd be happy to see him at Barca. I'm not quite sure what is role in the squad would be though.

 

[jamrock]

for the right price,yes

 

[BBZ8800]

Exactly how is Luis Enrique planning on using him? Any guesses？

Rotation player for Iniesta's, Rakitic's, Neymar's and Messi's position.
But mainly for Iniesta's and Rakitic's CM position.

 

[JamDav1982]

Rotation player for Iniesta's, Rakitic's, Neymar's and Messi's position.
But mainly for Iniesta's and Rakitic's CM position.

None of which are roles he has been playing at Atletico.

Playing out wide in a midfield four is not the same as playing as a goalscoring/winger expected to to be able to use pace on break and score goals.

 

[BBZ8800]

In 2017,
Rakitic, Busquets 29
Iniesta 33
Messi , Suarez, Turan 30
What a old team...

Would you rather an ageing team who is actually winning some trophies RIGHT NOW or an extremely young and team with a lot of potential who is not winning CLs right (and still it is questionable whether it will win them in the future or some new players will be bought by then)?

I know the answer.

Too many fans are too obsessed with youth, longterm future and players who are yet to reach (or who may not reach) their potential.

 

[BBZ8800]

None of which are roles he has been playing at Atletico.

Playing out wide in a midfield four is not the same as playing as a goalscoring/winger expected to to be able to use pace on break and score goals.

He did play football outside Atletico also.
He played a regular and attacking midfielder for Turkey sometimes, if I am not mistaken?

Rakitic played as a DM/MC/AMC and winger in 442 in Croatia, Schalke, Basel and Sevilla.
Neymar can play as an attacking winger in a 433 attack, both left and right, or even as some attacking ML in a 442, or as a central attacking midfielder in various formations, right?

I don't see why Arda wouldn't be able to play a CM in Barca's 433.
He is not Adama's type of a dumb winger who only runs, dribbles and doesn't do anything except those two.

 

[JamDav1982]

He did play football outside Atletico also.
He played a regular and attacking midfielder for Turkey sometimes, if I am not mistaken?

Rakitic played as a DM/MC/AMC and winger in 442 in Croatia, Schalke, Basel and Sevilla.
Neymar can play as an attacking winger in a 433 attack, or even as some attacking ML in a 442, or as a central attacking midfielder in various formations, right?

I don't see why Arda wouldn't be able to play a CM in Barca's 433.
He is not Adama's type of a dumb winger who only runs, dribbles and doesn't do anything except those two.

Yip he is an attacking midfielder that is my point.

That is not the role for any Barca player.

For me Arda doesnt have the defensive qualities, fitness or mobility to play CM in this Barca system.

He is a good player and could prove useful depending on what Lucho has planned but as a Neymar/Messi or Rakitic/Iniesta replacement in the current system I cant see it.

 

[BBZ8800]

For me Arda doesnt have the defensive qualities, fitness or mobility to play CM in this Barca system.

Ok, but again, we still play 70-80% of matches against parked buses where we have Possession 70% and attack for 90 Minutes.

If we managed to win all matches in the last 6 Months of this Season, when we played a lot of matches with Iniesta and Rafinha (lol, he is always all over the place), I have hopes that any Iniesta+Turan or Turan+Rakitic combination can't be worse than any combination when Rafinha played.

If he won't defend too much, he won't be a starter against Bayern.
If he will turn into a combative midfielder, then he has a chance to be a starter even against Bayern and Real.

 

[JamDav1982]

Ok, but again, we still play 70-80% of matches against parked buses where we have Possession 70% and attack for 90 Minutes.

If we managed to win all matches in the last 6 Months of this Season, when we played a lot of matches with Iniesta and Rafinha (lol, he is always all over the place), I have hopes that any Iniesta+Turan or Turan+Rakitic combination can't be worse than any combination when Rafinha played.

If he won't defend too much, he won't be a starter against Bayern.
If he will turn into a combative midfielder, then he has a chance to be a starter even against Bayern and Real.

Arda could easily cope in the games when play against the smaller teams.

Those teams Barca could get by with Roberto/Rafinha and probably Samper anyway.

It is more about him being used as a aback up in bigger games and if you are paying 40 odd million that should be what they are getting.

Still like him as a player and not dead against signing him just dont think he suits unless things change.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Would you rather an ageing team who is actually winning some trophies RIGHT NOW or an extremely young and team with a lot of potential who is not winning CLs right (and still it is questionable whether it will win them in the future or some new players will be bought by then)?

I know the answer.

Too many fans are too obsessed with youth, longterm future and players who are yet to reach (or who may not reach) their potential.

I know the answer too,neither one of those 2 choices considering they are both bad ones
A team with a mix of experience ,youth,and players at their prime that can gurantee continuity and actually winning more is the better choice

 

[DrPepper]

Not for 40m, we're not charity ffs. I'd rather go for Pogba then tbh.

 

[serghei]

I know the answer too,neither one of those 2 choices considering they are both bad ones
A team with a mix of experience ,youth,and players at their prime that can gurantee continuity and actually winning more is the better choice

The most important is success right now, long term planning is not always possible. You can buy the players you need, you don't have to buy them young, because very few young players are Barcelona quality. And the ones that are won't be sold by PSG (Marquinhos, Verratti) for example. I keep hearing no to Arda, he's too old, but people don't come with solutions. And don't say names like Adama, Samper, and others. Not good enough. Barcelona doesn't play young players on the hope that they MIGHT turn out to be very good one day. Things are simple, we had a golden generation that will come to an end in the next 3-4 years. The new generation ain't that great and we have to either start to build a new generation with young players, or we need to buy top class mature players every 3-4 years (Arda, Suarez type, 27-28 years old). Ideally, we need to buy top young players. However, since Marquinhos, Hazard, Verratti etc. play for teams that are in direct competition with us and that DON'T NEED THE MONEY, we can't buy them. And don't tell me we can buy them. We can't.

And, what do you know, when we try to buy a top young player people bitch they are too expensive and overhyped. What do you expect? Teams know that 21 years old players who are already star players for their national teams cost a lot (Hazard, Pogba, Neymar, James Rodriguez examples). Really a lot. Fans want top world class (or close to being world class) players for discount prices. Sorry, not possible.

So, it's:

1. Play our young players and see them grow at the expense of losing titles (to Real or Bayern most likely), since it's clear that the post 88-89 generation ain't that great.
2. Buy top matured players every 3-4 years for the positions you constantly need to fill.
or
3. Buy top young players that can be world class in the near future (way above the level of our youth players), in which case be ready to spend close to 80-100m. on these transfers.

Take your pick. But be sure that if you pick option no.3 and moan about spending 100m on Pogba makes you somewhat naive. Pros and cons fellows, that's what this is about.

 

[khaled_a_d]

The most important is success right now, long term planning is not always possible. You can buy the players you need, you don't have to buy them young, because very few young players are Barcelona quality. And the ones that are won't be sold by PSG (Marquinhos, Verratti) for example. I keep hearing no to Arda, he's too old, but people don't come with solutions. And don't say names like Adama, Samper, and others. Not good enough. Barcelona doesn't play young players on the hope that they MIGHT turn out to be very good one day. Things are simple, we had a golden generation that will come to an end in the next 3-4 years. The new generation ain't that great and we have to either start to build a new generation with young players, or we need to buy top class mature players every 3-4 years (Arda, Suarez type, 27-28 years old). Ideally, we need to buy top young players. However, since Marquinhos, Hazard, Verratti etc. play for teams that are in direct competition with us and that DON'T NEED THE MONEY, we can't buy them. And what do you know, when we try to buy a top young player people bitch they are too expensive and overhyped. What do you expect?

So, it's:

1. Play our young players and see them grow at the expense of losing titles (to Real or Bayern most likely), since it's clear that the post 88-89 generation ain't that great.
2. Buy top matured players every 3-4 years for the positions you constantly need to fill.
or
3. Buy top young players that can be world class in the near future (way above the level of our youth players), in which case be ready to spend close to 80-100m. on these transfers.

Take your pick. But be sure that if you pick 3 and moan about spending 100m on Pogba makes you somewhat naive. Pros and cons fellows, that's what this is about.

I've been always supporting the purchase of Pogba so I won't moan about it ,that is sure .though Pogba is ALREADY world class player .so he is more of a no4 .number 3 could be a guy like Kovacic
And we have signed players like Neymar and Alba from that category too
Also I've never asked for guys like Samper or Adama .I also always said I don't see it in either .my biggest hope in B team are Alen & Sandro and both probably going on loan developing elsewhere without taking spot in 1st team

Success right now is beautiful ,but as I said in another thread this success does need youth too in most cases .young players are about the present more than the future actually
I am not talking about 19 or 20 years old player but I am talking about players 25 or younger .only Neymar is starter who is younger than 26
If wee keep playing with such older player .we won't win right now..or at best right now will be next eason only

 

[serghei]

I've been always supporting the purchase of Pogba so I won't moan about it ,that is sure .though Pogba is ALREADY world class player .so he is more of a no4 .number 3 could be a guy like Kovacic
And we have signed players like Neymar and Alba from that category too
Also I've never asked for guys like Samper or Adama .I also always said I don't see it in either .my biggest hope in B team are Alen & Sandro and both probably going on loan developing elsewhere without taking spot in 1st team

Success right now is beautiful ,but as I said in another thread this success does need youth too in most cases .young players are about the present more than the future actually
I am not talking about 19 or 20 years old player but I am talking about players 25 or younger .only Neymar is starter who is younger than 26
If wee keep playing with such older player .we won't win right now..or at best right now will be next eason only

The part with Pogba being world class is debatable for me. I think he is very good with a very very high chance of being the best in his position. More like James Rodriguez last year, only with better results and credentials for his age. If James turned out to be a gem, I don't know how anyone can be sure Pogba won't be one. Neymar wasn't world class either when we signed him. Again, a case of very very high potential of becoming world class fast, but not there yet. Neymar is world class now, probably his true breakthrough season for me.

Rakitic wasn't very young when we signed him. He was closer to 27, than 21-23. I know you didn't ask for Samper or Adama, I didn't really target you with that comment, more of a general observation. OK, I agree we need youth. It's the type of youth that is important here. Arsenal also has youth. The difference between Barcelona and Arsenal is that Arsenal has Chamberlain type of youth, and we have Neymar type of youth (not talking about homegrown player of acquisition). That difference in youth quality is what makes us CL winners (among other things of course) and what makes Arsenal... well, you get the picture (I love Arsenal btw). So yeah, we need youth. I'm all for signing Hazard, Pogba, Verratti, Marquinhos, even the traitor Thiago. Let's bring them. If we can. If we can't, we have to adapt, roll with it, bring players like Arda Turan for example or hope that La Masia will produce better talent than Sergi Roberto, Rafinha and such.