Xavi Hernández

Birdy

Senior Member
Good thread


He does good threads indeed!

Some remarks:
1) I think he places too much emphasis on the loss of Busquets.
All of what he says about his importance in linking defense and attack and finding solutions within positional play is true. BUT, he doesn't talk about the downsize of Busi: how much a liability he was in defensive transitions. That was particularly evident in all European games he played in his last season, from Bayern to Inter to Man UTD. This also tells that, WHOEVER the coach was, the model based on Busi should have been gradually replaced, and that includes new solutions and new ideas, apart from new personnel

2) As he says in his analysis, 'Xavi-ball' was much better in his first season, and part of the reason was that Alves, Pique, Alba, apart from Busi, knew how to of positional play
Yet, that IMO is the biggest testament of huge limitations of Xavi as a coach.
If you can't teach basic principles to someone who has not already made them part of their skin through a whole footballing career like the ones above, then you are probably very limited coach

Look at the top coaches, like Pep, like Klopp, there is always a common theme: WHEREVER they go (Italy, Germany, England) they always manage to TEACH their football to whoever they have as a player
 

serghei

Senior Member
Barca style is anything but simple. We need to move away from it and build a different, more conventional side. The posters who think Flick is gonna make these players tiki-taka around opponents are frankly dumb as a rock. He will build a different side, and the extent to which that is gonna translate to good, don't even dare to say great, seasons in the near future is gonna be seen at first-hand soon.

Flick is gonna set up the team in CL later stages exactly like Xavi did vs PSG for example.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Also :lol: Pep doesn't teach his style to whomever he has as a player lol. That is why he only goes at the most elite and/or richest teams around. If he could teach any player, he wouldn't have spitted out Cancelo like a bad falafel.

Again, common logic.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Flick style is anything but complicated, Xavi's is more complicated.

Doesn't mean it's better or worse to be clear.

But it's simple and vertical, get the ball in the oppositions box as fast and as many times as possible.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Flick style is anything but complicated, Xavi's is more complicated.

Doesn't mean it's better or worse to be clear.

But it's simple and vertical, get the ball in the oppositions box as fast and as many times as possible.

It can be efficient. I like his style, it's his personality I don't like.
 

Iniesta Ultra

Senior Member
Also :lol: Pep doesn't teach his style to whomever he has as a player lol. That is why he only goes at the most elite and/or richest teams around. If he could teach any player, he wouldn't have spitted out Cancelo like a bad falafel.

Again, common logic.

WTF. Pep got rid of him because he's a defensive liability. He doesn't put up with unbalanced players.
 

serghei

Senior Member
WTF. Pep got rid of him because he's a defensive liability. He doesn't put up with unbalanced players.

He doesn't put up with inferior players. Keeps the best, ditches the rest, and buys new players for huge money.

He's like a Harvard genius professor. He only teaches the best and the ones that stay in his class and are gifted enough to keep up.
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Good thread

Interesting take. Balanced. Can clearly see that some things Xavi did was right and that certain external circumstances did him in badly, especially lack of proper DM. Still, i posit that good coaches should adapt to the team and not vice versa. If he and his ideology is so special than he isn't a top class manager, but an exotic marquee luxury guy, who only works well in particular circumstances. And that is yet to be seen given his none existing experience at serious clubs.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
It can be efficient. I like his style, it's his personality I don't like.

I like it for small to med level teams, against the best he will need to tweak it, us vs PSG style like you mentioned.


Nice break down of flicks strength and weaknesses, maybe he's added a few things in the last 12 months.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
He's going to take a Sabbatical before getting back into managing.

Not quite sure what's next for him but hope it's a decent coaching gig that'll allow him to keep honing his skills. I don't want him to go back to Qatar because it'll just be a waste of time for him.
 

serghei

Senior Member
No doubt Flick has all the tools to win a title or at least push Madrid to produce another great league season to repeat it. In a league format, you can win it by beating the smaller teams with great consistency. As said in the past, there are 114 points to be won in a season and only 6 are vs Madrid.

Xavi lost h2h vs Madrid last season but won the title by being more consistent vs smaller sides. Easy to understand.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Common suspects at their idiotic agenda again

Pep builds with everyone. He made Fernandinho 5 times the player he was before, same with Stones, with Sterling, with Sane, with De Bruyne, with Ake, with fucking Akanji
That's irrespective of whether he buys or not

Same with Klopp, same with all top managers. Part of what makes them top is this!

If anyone doesn't see that, he should change sports.
Simple as that
 

serghei

Senior Member
You are truly clueless. De Bruyne is not everyone. He improves players, but mainly the top ones into superior version of themselves. Too bad he couldn't improve Joe Hart. Excluded him from the first few trainings :lol:.

Half the time you say some truly unique stuff.
 

Iniesta Ultra

Senior Member
He doesn't put up with inferior players. Keeps the best, ditches the rest, and buys new players for huge money.

He's like a Harvard genius professor. He only teaches the best and the ones that stay in his class and are gifted enough to keep up.

Sounds refreshing compared to Xavi who kept retards who run like pigs, yes men, frauds, the semi-retired, and special eye for Spaniards.
 

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