ajnotkeith
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A lot of 'big' names, but make a front 3 out of them and it's not very impressive is it?
Whereas Arsenal for example got something like Martinelli-Jesus-Saka that is better than any front 3 out of those guys.
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A lot of 'big' names, but make a front 3 out of them and it's not very impressive is it?
Whereas Arsenal for example got something like Martinelli-Jesus-Saka that is better than any front 3 out of those guys.
serghei
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This is why they sacked the manager. Because the squad they have is far better than what they played like under Naggelsmann.
But it is also a possibility that the squad is on a decline in terms of complacency and Bayern surely are known to have some shit periods from time to time. FC Hollywood was their nickname post Effenberg and Scholl
.Until they got it together in 2010, from 2001 or so until 2010 not much to speak about Bayern in Europe.
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serghei
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True. But his style is not really that spectacular. So... he could get into some trouble on this end. Because Bayern, like Barca, is deeply arrogant in regard to how they want to play.
Redbuck
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Thisss. Nagelsmann didn't really have much freedom to do replicate what he did while at Leipzig, at Bayern. He usually likes switching formations a lot, depending on the opponent and likes having a lot of versatile players that can fit in despite the several formation changes. He's also a big fan of a back 3 (Bayern despise back threes a lot) but at Bayern, it's usually a 4-2-3-1 or death. Whenever he tried to be himself and deviate from the 4-2-3-1, it usually came with constant criticism from the German media (whether they're right or wrong is a story for another day). So all in all, you can compare Nagelsmann stint at Bayern with that Valverde for us, as the situations they faced and circumstances that led to their dismissals are very similar
iniestaGOAT
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Heard it was attractive before his Chelsea and psg, back in bundesliga.
Nobody knows for sure if it was, cause no one watches that shit
Nobody knows for sure if it was, cause no one watches that shit
Birdy
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Same narratives passed by the usual suspects that infect everything with their shitty agenda
1) Tuchel was never given the time he deserves anywhere bar Mainz where he built his name in Germany.
The narrative that Tuchel lasts 1-2 years is as stupid as it gets.
People like Conte and Mourino who openly accuse their own players, lose the dressing room instantly and create a toxicity that cannot be overcome unless their board sacks them. Their toxic personality forces the hand of their board.
Tuchel is nothing like that
Tuchel is def top 5 coach in the world, possibly top3 as well.
That doesn't mean his football would fit Barca. It's a difficult question to answer, because WC managers always find ways to solve problems.
But the input we have so far is that Tuchel will not 100% commit to the 'Barca way'.
If there is a reason to not want him here is this, and no other reason
3) Similarly stupid narratives but with different content passed for Nagelsman.
He has a great squad that he is underusing blah blah blah.
Muller 33 Neuer 37, Mane past it after years of getting squeezed from Klopp's intensity, mighty Choupo at CF, and Sane being as consistent as Dembele was between 2017 and 2020. Had to find ways to play either without CF or with Choupo at CF, with no RB (3atb might have been a forced choice at times), with no one able to replace Kimmich and Goretska in the possibility of an injury.
And yet he bossed all the big boys in CL with wonderful tactics.
Above all, the audacity to list Musiala there, who is the player that Nagelsman made into what we see today. The development he had the last 2 years under him has been nothing sort of exceptional.
No surprise that all that crap is coming from people who don't watch Bayern at all, but want to have an opinion
1) Tuchel was never given the time he deserves anywhere bar Mainz where he built his name in Germany.
The narrative that Tuchel lasts 1-2 years is as stupid as it gets.
People like Conte and Mourino who openly accuse their own players, lose the dressing room instantly and create a toxicity that cannot be overcome unless their board sacks them. Their toxic personality forces the hand of their board.
Tuchel is nothing like that
Tuchel is def top 5 coach in the world, possibly top3 as well.
That doesn't mean his football would fit Barca. It's a difficult question to answer, because WC managers always find ways to solve problems.
But the input we have so far is that Tuchel will not 100% commit to the 'Barca way'.
If there is a reason to not want him here is this, and no other reason
3) Similarly stupid narratives but with different content passed for Nagelsman.
He has a great squad that he is underusing blah blah blah.
Muller 33 Neuer 37, Mane past it after years of getting squeezed from Klopp's intensity, mighty Choupo at CF, and Sane being as consistent as Dembele was between 2017 and 2020. Had to find ways to play either without CF or with Choupo at CF, with no RB (3atb might have been a forced choice at times), with no one able to replace Kimmich and Goretska in the possibility of an injury.
And yet he bossed all the big boys in CL with wonderful tactics.
Above all, the audacity to list Musiala there, who is the player that Nagelsman made into what we see today. The development he had the last 2 years under him has been nothing sort of exceptional.
No surprise that all that crap is coming from people who don't watch Bayern at all, but want to have an opinion
iniestaGOAT
Senior Member
Yo chill he hasnt bossed anybody around in UCL
in fact he got bitch slapped by villareal, outclassed and outcoached
You will never get the time and freedoms of smaller teams like Leipzig or Mainz at a top level club. That's just obvious.
With that said Tuchel is the obviously more experienced coach right now. Bayern knew what they were doing, even if it wasn't 100% sporting, it will still benefit them sportingly.
Naggingman can/still will be a top coach. He can go and lick his wounds, learn not to clash with the board and give it another go at a smaller team like Spurs. Wouldn't be my recommended pick, but after the Conte meltdown they would probably welcome anyone. So good timing.
Funny how things turn out though. Nagelsmann was one of Laporta's initial top picks. Now he's available and his market value has regressed.
Xavi has proven to be the best choice right now thanks to the politicisation of the club and the amigo clearance task, even if he still is learning in game management and doesn't come from the school of coaching like the Germans.
But goes to show, timing is everything.
With that said Tuchel is the obviously more experienced coach right now. Bayern knew what they were doing, even if it wasn't 100% sporting, it will still benefit them sportingly.
Naggingman can/still will be a top coach. He can go and lick his wounds, learn not to clash with the board and give it another go at a smaller team like Spurs. Wouldn't be my recommended pick, but after the Conte meltdown they would probably welcome anyone. So good timing.
Funny how things turn out though. Nagelsmann was one of Laporta's initial top picks. Now he's available and his market value has regressed.
Xavi has proven to be the best choice right now thanks to the politicisation of the club and the amigo clearance task, even if he still is learning in game management and doesn't come from the school of coaching like the Germans.
But goes to show, timing is everything.
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serghei
Senior Member
Nice post. I pick Xavi over Nagelsmann probably. Tuchel was my 1st pick if Xavi failed this season. He was the hottest option for anyone looking for a replacement, so if Madrid didn't get him, that's good news for me.
Xavi is closer to Klopp and Tuchel than Pep though, he is pragmatic and obssessed with intensity much like the germans are. Wether by choice or circumstances, that's the story of his first year and a half at Barca.
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Don't get me wrong, if Xavi failed in the league (given his CL/EL early exits) then we should absolutely still change direction. Hell, if we blow LaLiga now and even secure CdR, he should still walk and we get all over Nagelsmann.
But he has earned the project now and all the players and most fans are on board. As you say, he is pragmatic and his football at most times leaves alot to be desired. But unlike Tuchel he has the credit of being Xavi to get away with putting up the results fo the time being. Tuchel wouldn't have been given that luxury.
malvolio
Senior Member
Nagelsmann? He hasn't proved anything on the big stage though.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
Watch out, Birdy will come foaming at the mouth with "his monster tactics dispatched all the big boys this season"
malvolio
Senior Member
Watch out, Birdy will come foaming at the mouth with "his monster tactics dispatched all the big boys this season"
Xabi Alonso schooled just two weeks ago.
Redbuck
Member
Well, Nagelsmann would make us play faster and make us cope better with the style of German teams (Bayern and Frankfurt come to mind). Maybe make our fitness levels better than what we currently have under Xavi, and that's it. Not much of an improvement to Xavi tbh. And besides, for Nagelsmann succeed here we'll need a massive squad overhaul. We'll need much faster players cos apart from BACK, only Dembele and maybe FDJ/Raphinha are the only players we can genuinely fast. The rest of our squad is filled with snails.
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