Xavi Hernández

[jamrock]

My point is that tactics didn't make Mbappe look poor, as you said. He had chances to get 4+ goals.

It's universal accepted that we handle Mbappe when 11 vs 11 as any team is realistically expected to.

We weren't gonna stop him for having chances, but he has few if any clear cut chances when we were playing 11 vs 11.

 

[Porque]

Name them?

Name the game were a two world class teams, 1 with a arguable the best attack in football, where the other team goes down to 10 men for 60 minutes and got a result.

 

[jamrock]

Lol, note I said them?? And you came up with 1 of the goated teams.

Just goes to prove the point, really.

That's the exception, not the rule, but good one lol.

What are your thoughts on de jong?, no BS just curious.

 

[Porque]

Lol, note I said them?? And you came up with 1 of the goated teams.

Just goes to prove the point, really.

That's the exception, not the rule, but good one lol.

What are your thoughts on de jong?, no BS just curious.

Well the initial game that popped in mind was the Man City comeback from 3 down but I think it was a bit obscure.

But the point is not that we lost with 10, obviously the odds retract massive when you go down to 10, but that we shipped 4 goals in 60 minutes, and at home at that. That is the bigger exception to the rule as a top team. Well not an exception to us as our European exits over the past years previously consisted of shipping 3 to Frankfurt, 4 to Liverpool, 3 to Roma, 8 to Bayern, 3 to Juventus...

Frenkie? Very poor, limited, lacking match sharpness for a top tier game. Playing without a defensive mind in midfield hurt us as we regressed from the midfield of Sergi Roberto in Paris.

I thought we would cope better though as LE also went with a soft midfield without a defensive midfielder.

 

[jamrock]

Also if lewa has made that pass to Torres, maybe just maybe, we could have pulled it off on penalties.

There was a PK and the last goal came when we were going for it and by a mistake.

Nothing went out way this game, it definitely doesn't feel like our other European disappointments, where the entire team was just one big disappointment.

 

[ajnotkeith]

PSG also did win against Chelsea in R16 with Zlatan sent off very early in the game. Unfortunately this type of stats aren't documented anywhere though I'm sure there are other examples (probably none like this situation though).

The only direct comparison would be finding games where teams were 2 goals up and had a man sent off but this situation has probably happened very few times before in CL knockout games.

In league games though (evenly matched), I am sure that the team with the red has won at least as often as the team with 11, if not more.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Also if lewa has made that pass to Torres, maybe just maybe, we could have pulled it off on penalties.

There was a PK and the last goal came when we were going for it and by a mistake.

Nothing went out way this game, it definitely doesn't feel like our other European disappointments, where the entire team was just one big disappointment.

It's not a disaster because we had an okay CL campaign and showed we can compete with PSG. It's just disappointing in the context of the season where we haven't won anything.

But it is much more positive than last season in terms of Europe. We proved that we are on the level at least of teams like PSG and we showed impressive resilience in the first leg.

We learnt things as well and the young players need these experiences.

 

[jamrock]

PSG also did win against Chelsea in R16 with Zlatan sent off very early in the game. Unfortunately this type of stats aren't documented anywhere though I'm sure there are other examples (probably none like this situation though).

The only direct comparison would be finding games where teams were 2 goals up and had a man sent off but this situation has probably happened very few times before in CL knockout games.

In league games though (evenly matched), I am sure that the team with the red has won at least as often as the team with 11, if not more.

And most of those teams probably didn't lose there best defender and leader at the back, when doing down to 10 men.

I get the point, that two goals up, just maybe we could have done something, but realistically against all that pace it would have been difficult, especially after the 2nd goal, which they had no business scoring.

 

[malvolio]

Also if lewa has made that pass to Torres, maybe just maybe, we could have pulled it off on penalties.

There was a PK and the last goal came when we were going for it and by a mistake.

Nothing went out way this game, it definitely doesn't feel like our other European disappointments, where the entire team was just one big disappointment.

Mate, you're delusional with these takes, in all threads.

This team has been a big disappointment the whole season. Take your 'Xavi is great' glasses off and realise we got at this stage of the competition because we played some EL level teams in groups and first KO round.

There was nothing in our play that pointed out we are worthy of a trophy or even getting to a CL final.

Ref, injuries, players fucking up defensevly or missing important chances are just excuses. Bar some resemblance of good form over the past weeks, we weren't at the races at all. Fucking up every big game against good opposition.

Could we have got lucky and got trough to the final? Yes. But that doesn't mean an injustice has taken place and we were clearly the better team.

 

[jamrock]

Mate, you're delusional with these takes, in all threads.

This team has been a big disappointment the whole season. Take your 'Xavi is great' glasses off and realise we got at this stage of the competition because we played some EL level teams in groups and first KO round.

There was nothing in our play that pointed out we are worthy of a trophy or even getting to a CL final.

Ref, injuries, players fucking up defensevly or missing important chances are just excuses. Bar some resemblance of good form over the past weeks, we weren't at the races at all. Fucking up every big game against good opposition.

Could we have got lucky and got trough to the final? Yes. But that doesn't mean an injustice has taken place and we were clearly the better team.

You said worthy and I stopped reading.

Says everything about your view on the game, vs the realities of football and what happen this game.

Like I said In your mind, if we aren't the greatest we don't deserve to win.

The entire history of K.O football disagrees with you.

We don't go down to 10, we win the game and make the final, simple as that.

Xavi did nothing wrong this game, no matter how you try to make it seems we only scored because of there keeper ( we didn't ) and we didn't make Mbappe pretty much invisible the entire game 11 vs 11 ( we did), we weren't better or PSGs equal 11 vs 11(we were) won't change the reality of what actually happened.

 

[malvolio]

You said worthy and I stopped reading.

Says everything about your view on the game, vs the realities of football and what happen this game.

Like I said In your mind, if we aren't the greatest we don't deserve to win.

The entire history of K.O football disagrees with you.

We don't go down to 10, we win the game and make the final, simple as that.

Xavi did nothing wrong this game, no matter how you try to make it seems we only scored because of there keeper ( we didn't ) and we didn't make Mbappe pretty much invisible the entire game 11 vs 11 ( we did), we weren't better or PSGs equal 11 vs 11(we were) won't change the reality of what actually happened.

My view of the game is that quality shines trough eventually.

Yeah, there have been unlikely winners in history, but that doesn't mean it is the norm or something to expect.

You act all surprised and have unreal expectations like we were this great team and we got clowned by a terrible PSG. Which wasn't the case.

Xavi did lots of things wrong before this game, which shaped this team into what they are today. He also lost the plot again by getting overwhelmed with emotions when ref clearly didn't rob us.

The reality is that we played shit football all season and got dumped from every competition. I guess that's also something unexpected for you.

 

[serghei]

Tie was not over even at 1-0. PSG played better than in Paris, and many of our players had a bad night. Or even worse. Stil doesn't excuse what Araujo did. He gift wrapped this tie for PSG with a bow and everything and delivered it straight into their lap.

Time for some people to simply understand that the squad is far from the likes of PSG. It has nothing to do with the manager, and everything to do with the bad economic situation of the club. Xavi played this tie spot on tactically, and we still fell mainly due to individual supbar performances.

 

[malvolio]

Tie was not over even at 1-0. PSG played better than in Paris, and many of our players had a bad night. Or even worse. Stil doesn't excuse what Araujo did. He gift wrapped this tie for PSG with a bow and everything and delivered it straight into their lap.

Time for some people to simply understand that the squad is far from the likes of PSG. It has nothing to do with the manager, and everything to do with the bad economic situation of the club. Xavi played this tie spot on tactically, and we still fell mainly due to individual supbar performances.

Said it time and again that our attack is a shambles. Can't play counterpunch football against big teams with the players we have. Regardless of the manager.

 

[Rory]

Tie was not over even at 1-0. PSG played better than in Paris, and many of our players had a bad night. Or even worse. Stil doesn't excuse what Araujo did. He gift wrapped this tie for PSG with a bow and everything and delivered it straight into their lap.

Time for some people to simply understand that the squad is far from the likes of PSG. It has nothing to do with the manager, and everything to do with the bad economic situation of the club.

How is the squad far away from PSG?

Our midfield is stronger even if it isn't a very strong midfield. They have less quality centre back depth. Fullbacks maybe they just about pip us but not by much. Lewa is a better striker than they have. They have much stronger wingers, that's about it. Even then our supposedly shit winger scored 3 goals against them.

Don't have to play this game of poor Xavi with his poor squad. He wasn't to blame for yesterday.

 

[jamrock]

My view of the game is that quality shines trough eventually.

Yeah, there have been unlikely winners in history, but that doesn't mean it is the norm or something to expect.

You act all surprised and have unreal expectations like we were this great team and we got clowned by a terrible PSG. Which wasn't the case.

Xavi did lots of things wrong before this game, which shaped this team into what they are today. He also lost the plot again by getting overwhelmed with emotions when ref clearly didn't rob us.

The reality is that we played shit football all season and got dumped from every competition. I guess that's also something unexpected for you.

Yep okay

The reality of the game and k.o comps doesn't fit your narrative, but you can keep trying.

Barcelona have 5 CL and in all those we were by far the best team in the comp, this guy believes this is how all teams win the CL.

PSG were average bar maybe 2 games this entire run and are on their way to the final,
Durtmond have been playing "9/10" football this season.

Chelsea have 2 CL and have been the best team in all those.

Really have 14 definitely there "quality" won them all those.