Do you miss Barça?
Of course, watching it on TV is not the same thing when you play for the best team in the world, the club of your life. But it was a well thought decision, I reached the conclusion that it was time to end my cycle at Barça.
Barça tried to change that…
Yes, it’s true and I’m thankful for that. Barto, the president, insisted a lot that I stayed another year, Luis Enrique agreed… But I had to make that decision and I did. I left because I have my personal pride, it’s difficult to accept being a secondary player and I had to start preparing my future. And look, I left after 17 seasons with a treble, an ending that I hadn’t even dreamed of. Although I must confess that in January I was hoping that we’d at least win one trophy so that I could leave Barça with something positive. And I had the luck of winning a treble, incredible!
You even made your successor official when you invited Andrés Iniesta to lift the Copa del Rey trophy with you.
It’s the best legacy I could leave, Andrés, Busi, Messi, they’re homegrown. Iniesta was raised in La Masia, he’s the standard for it on and off the pitch. A reference as a footballer and as a person. He was the next one, then it will be Busi’s time. They’re the ones who have to be vocal and lead the way. Andrés is a great captain.
Why do you say that?
Because they see Barça as a thing that belongs to them, they’re an integral part of this club for years; they’re not just footballers but an important and vital part of Barça. We saw that since Puyi became the leader. After that Victor Váldes and I came along. And so on… I insist on the fact that the homegrown players are vital, they have to be the catalyst of everything that happens in the dressing room and on the pitch.
From a football perspective too?
Of course. They’re the clear example of this Barça, of a playing philosophy that everyone wants to copy. As socís and as fans we have to feel proud of having these players and this team. You have to leave to see what they really are and what they represent. At home, in Catalunya, we sometimes don’t know how to value everything we have.
And how are the ones that come from the outside?
We’ve had a lot of luck due to how well they integrated. Leo is an exception because he was in the academy here, but look at Alves, Mascherano, Keita and Abidal before. They’ve all brought their contribution, also the new arrivals like Rakitic, Bravo, Arda or Ter Stegen. You see them involved in the group. They feel they are ‘barcelonistas’ and that’s important. And don’t get me started about the three monsters up front…
You seem enchanted with this Barça.
Yes, without a doubt. There’s order now, Luis Enrique works very well, I knew that it was only a matter of time, that we had to trust him. I’m telling you that Barça will win at least two trophies this season. I’m sure.
Quite a big difference from a bit over a year ago, right?
Effectively so, I’m not going to lie. Those days I recall thinking that maybe we’d be lucky to win one trophy so that I could leave Barça well. We can’t hide that there were complicated moments and some tension. In that moment we knew that we all had to pull together in the same direction, that the ones who didn’t follow Lucho’s indications was out. That the objective and the road to achieving it was possible only as team, everyone together. It was necessary, Luis Enrique did the same thing as Pep Guardiola, it’s not that they imposed a military discipline, but they did impose a certain degree of order, common rules that benefit the group. And fortunately things worked out. It was like an alignment of stars. Who would have told me that I could leave Barça with nothing less than a treble? My teammates and friends don’t know how grateful I am.
Speaking of which, did you ask Pep for advice before you came to Qatar?
Of course, even though the one I talked to the most was Raúl. Actually the house where I live with my family is the one where he used to live. He told me not to have doubts, that if I wanted to play in a less intense competition, but be in a place where football is growing, where I can work on my future as a coach, Qatar is the ideal place. And the truth is that he didn’t lie. Another person who helped me decide was Fernando Solanas, from Adidas, who is a common friend with Fernando Hierro who also played here like Pep or Ronald de Boer.
So you’re already taking the first steps as a coach…
Yes and I like it. I’m collaborating as much as I can in the work they do at this magnificent idea that is Aspire, also with my friend Félix Sánchez, who is in charge of Qatar’s U23 team. We almost qualified for the Olympics in Rio de Janeiro which would have been a real feat for Qatari football.
Going back to Barça, do you see a lot of differences between this team and yours?
Globally no, even though it’s true that now the tone is set by the three up front who are the best forward line in history, the best I’ve seen in my life. Whether you want it or not, this makes Barça’s play a bit different and it improves it.
Anything else?
I think that arrivals like Rakitic, Aleix Vidal or Arda Turan make an incredible team even better and that Busquets has made the definitive step in his evolution.
You seem very excited about him…
And I have reasons for that. Sergio plays better every time. He figured out that he’s becoming more and more important, that he’s vital for the team’s play. He does more and more things and he does them better every time. Busi defends well, attacks well, applies pressure better, he interprets the game as no one else, he’s always in the place the team and his teammate need him to be… And above that, he dares to give passes that even though he could do before but didn’t. He plays vertically and that benefits the three ‘aliens’ in front a lot. And he’s not fast or very strong, even though he wins all the duels… For me, he is without a doubt, the best midfielder in the world. And with plenty of difference. It’s that clear. Seeing him play in every game is a spectacle.
And you’ve been talking about Messi for years…
Yes, I told you a long time ago that he was going to be the best. Now I can add that he’s the best player in football history without a doubt. And we still have plenty of time to enjoy him at Barça ahead of us.
Were you surprised by Luis Suárez’s performances?
Not at all. I knew him since he was at Ajax. Gabri had told me great things about him, about his class as a player and a goalscorer. Few players could read Messi and Neymar’s football as well as he does. Before they do something, Luis is already running into space or opening up space for them. He provokes fouls and expulsions… And besides all that I know for a fact that he wanted to come to Barça for years, that he thought of this like any other culé. He looks happy wearing blaugrana. He is a hard worked that has come here to add his contribution with humility, being the authentic star that he is, a killer in the box like few others.
And Neymar?
He’s a real bomb. Today there’s no one in the world who has his potential in a 1v1, both in small spaces and in a run. He’s unstoppable.
What surprised you the most?
The friendship that the members of the trident formed in a totally natural way on and off the pitch. It’s incredible to see them beaming with happiness, to see how well they get along on and off the pitch. Barça benefits from that. I hope it lasts.
Do you think that Barça could do with a Puyol type of center back, a corrector type next to Piqué?
Truthfully, no. I see Mascherano performing that role well. He’s similar to Puyi because of his character, his commitment, for how he lives the games, for his leadership. He has known how to transform himself into a great centre back that supports Geri who is playing at an amazing level, as usual. They form a sensational duo. Then there’s also Vermaelen and Mathieu who fill their roles…
And Bartra?
I feel bad for him because Marc is an excellent centre back, but he has seen himself get overshadowed a bit by the performances of his peers. He’s a great friend, I’m sorry he’s going through this. I’d like to point out his patience. I also had to wait my turn for a couple of years. But Vicente del Bosque is taking him to the national team, because he knows that he’s a center back of a great level. But at Barça Luis Enrique is the one who makes decisions.
And Barça is conceding few goals again…
The secret is that they defend as a block. First with the ball possession, then pressing high up the pitch to recover it after the loss. That affects the rivals, it tires them physically and mentally. They only suffer, and less every time, in high balls and set pieces, but you can see an improvement in that area too, Claudio Bravo is sensational and Ter Stegen isn’t far behind. Barça has two great goalkeepers, the goal is safe for a long time.
You’re very optimistic…
It’s just that I know Barça, if they keep this level of collective play, leaving aside the individual quality of Messi, Suárez, Neymar, Iniesta or Busquets, they have a chance to once again win every trophy. Playing like this Barça is unstoppable.
What rivals do you see for Luis Enrique’s team in the Champions League and in La Liga?
I’d only single out Pep’s Bayern as being at the same level. I think Real Madrid, Juventus, City, PSG or Atléti are a step below. That doesn’t mean I don’t value their potential or think that they’re tough rivals. But leaving aside the individual quality of Barça’s players, which is already a lot, I don’t see the same intensity or quality of play from the other teams.
Who is the new Xavi?
It’s a natural process. Someone takes your place, like it happened with Puyol after he left. In my case I think it’s divided between Andrés and Busi. Andrés changed some things in his game to help the team in this aspect. But I wouldn’t want to leave out Rakitic, who sacrifices himself for the team but also shows his technical quality when he has to with his great passing range, assists and mid-distance shots.
And at the national team?
From my point of view it’s Thiago Alcántara. And I know that Vicente del Bosque thinks the same way. It was a shame that he couldn’t go to the World Cup in 2014. He’s proving his worth at Bayern. Although Thiago, like his brother Rafinha (who I also don’t want to leave out because he’s going to be great at Barça), is better a bit higher up the pitch, playing between the midfield and the attack. They face you, they sidestep you, do a dribble and they’re in a shooting position. They’re two phenomenons.
Did Sergi Roberto surprise you?
No, and I’m being very serious. And I’m happy to see his evolution because, in part, me staying for another year at Barça somehow slowed his progression. Luis Enrique was important because he told him that he was counting on him, that he believed in his possibilities, that he should be patient. I wouldn’t be surprised if Del Bosque would take him to the Euros in France with the great season he’s having.
Do you think Arda Turan suffers playing as an interior?
Not at all, I think his competition will help everyone else. Arda can play here, even though he likes playing with his back to the goal more, a bit higher. He’s adapting well. He’s not some youngster, he’s 29 years old and he’s played in strong teams like Galatasaray and Atleti. No one has given him anything. I like him a lot, really.
And Aleix Vidal?
He’s a great signings, I’m thrilled with him being there. He’s a player that does well no matter where you play him. He’s an established player who has been to the national team, has played in Europe with Sevilla and you can see that.
Competition for Alves and Alba…
I’d say more of a complement to them, because those two are incredible. Alves and Alba bring so much to Barça’s collective play with their constant runs into attack, with those little groups they form on their sides with Iniesta and Neymar in Jordi’s case and with Messi and the right side interior in Dani’s case. They’re sensational.