Interviewer: "You are considered like the leader of offensive Football. For you, can defensive football be praised in the same way as attacking's?"
Xavi: "Defending well can be an art, just like attacking. That's right, and I respect it. My great sorrow is that defensive and physical aspect has taken over the attacking one, the technique and the talent. At this rate, we will all be bored watching football. "
Interviewer: "But are you aware that some people get bored while watching Barça?"
Xavi: "It's incredible! Which team is boring? Barça or the team playing against them? Sometimes I hear: 'Barça is not dangerous enough.' But how can you be when you have eleven players in front of the goal? It's impossible. The team that plays on the back is not the team that tries to play, but refuses to. Isn't it boring when you watch teams losing time or sending the ball to the stands to break the rhythm? In front of ultra-defensive teams, It happened for me to ask myself: 'But how can I find spaces? There is not any.' But, there are always some. You have to move the ball from one side to the other, move, move again, and there you go, there is space. I spent my life searching for it, finding ways. Where is there space? How to make it happen? I was tuming my head in all directions, I was nicknamed 'The Exorcist's daughter'. I do not tum my head to 360 degrees like her, but there are games where I have rotated mine more than 500 times."
Interviewer: "According to a Norwegian researcher, you produce 0.8 information per second. Why do it so often?"
Xavi: "My brain works like a processor: it stores data, informations. Turning my head helps me do it. And that's not only important, it's fundamental to master space-time. I think: My team-mate is man-marked, so I tum my head to look for another solution. Behind me, an opponent says to himself: 'I'm going to take the ball from him, he's turning his back, he does not see me.' Except that I saw him. Just as I saw that the player who is marking my team-mate moving forward at the same time as his partner. Before they reach me, I passed the ball to the same team-mate who got free. I found spaces, solutions in a few seconds. What is Messi doing today? Why is he incomparable? Because he has everything. He does not make random passes. He does not get rid of the ball in silly ways. No, Messi attracts the defenders and then, pam, he passes to his free team-mate. And I think: 'Holy sh*t, he dribbled four and created spaces for his partners. He is very strong."'
Interviewer: "Not everyone has the chance to have Messi in the same team.. "
Xavi: "Everyone does not play for Barça either. Barcelona play a game very different from others, because we leam to think. When I went to the NT, those who played in other teams did not play the same way. They did not see football in the same way. It was the same when new players signed at Barca. The first time I saw Abidal, I was devastated.."
Interviewer: "Was he a disaster?"
Xavi: "No, not that much, but he was not on Barça's level. Then he started to think about the game, to observe, to ask questions, to find answers. This ability to adapt quickly has allowed him to become the best defender in the world. At least in my eyes. He was incredible. Abidal illustrates this: with a little stimulation, reflection and patience, everyone is able to play smarter. "
Interviewer: "Why don't we stimulate more creativity if it's so simple?"
Xavi: "Because we tend to believe that it is impossible. If I become a coach, and that's my wish, I'd like my team to have the ball. When am I calm on a field? When my team has the ball. As a coach, it will be the same. What did Cruyff say? 'There is only one ball.' And he was right, if I have it, I do not even need to defend, it's the others who have to run after it. If they steal it, I have to get it back quickly. I want to have 99% possession, 100% if possible. The ball is what stimulates players. In Football, in any case, there are two types of coaches: those who are afraid of having the ball because they do not know what to do with it. And those who are afraid of not having it because they do not know how to live without it. These are two different ways of thinking that require intelligence. But please, give me the ball. "
Interviewer: "Is it that hard not to have it?"
Xavi: "Without the ball, I'm afraid of not enjoying the game. You have to play with Iniesta to know what pleasure means. You have to have exchanged passes with Messi to understand it. 'Pam, pam, pam.' And Leo, Iniesta came. Then Busquets was there too. We had six or seven passes in a row. We did not even do it to attack. But for pure pleasure. "
Interviewer: "Messi and Iniesta continue to make 'one-two' while they are two meters away from each other. Except for pleasure, what is it for, concretely?"
Xavi: "To attract the opponent. I tell my team-mates: 'Let's go to the side, you and l. ' 'Pam, pam, pam.' Even if we are winning 2-0, we want to do it. "
Interviewer: "So you, kind of, want to humiliate your opponents."
Xavi: "No, not all. If we start making these small passes, it's because there is space to do it. And if there is space, it means that the opposing team is waiting for us in the back. A player is naturally attracted to the ball, even if he plays in a team that likes possession or not. And he likes it even more if he is losing. To make a comeback, it will be necessary to recover it, so at some point, they will come to stop us. We cannot give them the ball. What do they see? Two players, men-marked, passing to each other on the sideline. While for example, when we are losing, what Messi looks for is a way to find space, attract players towards him to free his team-mates to be able to pass the ball to them. "
Interviewer: "So there is something mechanical."
Xavi: "Repeating the same things is only good if you understand why you do it. I spent my life receiving the ball from the back, turning around and looking at where opponents were. Then, my brain tells me: 'Here, there are three, there. There are two. Well, I'm going to pass it on the other side.' Sometimes I watch games on TV, and I say: 'Well, they're attacking badly.' They often do it on the side where there is the more opponents. But why? You cannot attack well If you are outnumbered. When I played with Alves and Messi, we often attacked three against one, Ok. Three against two, Ok. Three against three. But it was the maximum. As soon as you are outnumbered, you have to switch the game where there is space and time."
Interviewer: "When you watch games on television, despite the camera's different angles, do you manage to distinguish these notions of space-time?"
Xavi: "When I watch a game, I do it deeply. If a friend talks to me during a match, I say: 'Hush, I'm trying to understand! Watching a Football match is like watching a film. If you distract me, I do not understand anything about dialogues between players. Talk to me when there will be a stoppage of play. Do not be like my wife: 'Xavi, I do not know this. . "' I do not answer my friend. I am so absorbed by what I see. Thinking is all I have in football. I'm not Messi: he dribbles four guys. I don't. "
Interviewer: "Maybe they never taught you how to do it. "
Xavi: "It cannot be learned. When you are neither fast nor skillful like me, you compensate with your other qualities. During an oriented control, yes, I can erase a rival, but otherwise, have you already seen me doing leg crunches? Never. "
Interview: "Why?"
Xavi: "I'm not comfortable with that. It's not me. I am not good with that. I feel comfortable when it comes to creating digital superiority. Give me the ball and I will not lose it. Because I think. Because I'm watching. Because I've been training on this all my life. Because it's written deep inside my neurons. "
Interviewer: "Beyond what you've learned at La Masia and while watching games on TV , you're also a fan of picking mushroom and baby-foot. Did these activities help you in any way?"
Xavi: "l have some things I always do, it's like an obsession. When I entered this room, I analyzed how the chairs, the tables were placed. I always want to sit where I can see the whole room. It's a reflex, I always do that. Because I like to control. I do not like surprises, for example, I want to know what will happen. I have an organizational capacity even on a daily basis. I know what I have to do hour by hour, without the need of a reminder. The agenda is in my brain. "
Interviewer: "You seem to be pretty good at Tetris, right?"
Xavi: "Are you kidding me? I was a champion. Do you see the pieces falling so fast? Well, it was me. I did not play anything else on Game Boy. It is a game in which you cannot do anything: you have to fit the pieces in a certain direction, anticipate the ones that will fall. It is a puzzle game that awakens your cognitive abilities. Sometimes you cannot play Tetris, so you have a little free space, you have to know what to do with it, guess the piece that will come, choose the right moment to drag it to such and such a place. It's space-time, like Football. Everyone who has played Tetris knows what I mean. You make a whole block leaving a space to fit the large piece so that it fits well. That's thinking about the second action. And preparation for Tetris is the same in Football, it is essential. "
Interviewer: "Do you also see bricks when you're on the pitch or is it different?"
Xavi: "It's different. I calculate the passing lines, the distances. I try to correct them too: 'Why does my teammate come two meters from me? Stay 30 meters away!' I'm the happiest person in the world on the pitch when I see that there are movements, because it increases the passing options. After taking the information, just before making my gesture, my brain sends me a kind of signal: 'It's now that you have to pass the ball.' It happens to me when all the spatiotemporal factors are in place. And usually, it's for decisive passes. "
Interviewer: "Emery said that he wants his player to be smarter than him. How can you deal with a group of players who don't see the game the way you do?"
Xavi: "l will try to teach them my idea of football. Make sure to stimulate talent. Obviously, I will not ignore the physical aspect, which is necessary, but I mean that I do not want my defender to just spend his time defending. No, no. I want him to play, to go forward. Ask Mascherano if he has not leamed to play football in Barcelona. He had to adapt. He was smart. Like Abidal and Umtiti. Umtiti is the best centre-back, isn't he? Why? Because he's doesn't spend his time just defending. He plays, he thinks, he goes forward, he anticipates. In Lyon, he recovered the ball, then was happy to only give it to the midfielder, who was doing his job. At Barca, you have to participate more, it facilitates the work of the midfielder. When he goes forward, it gives him better option to pass the ball. It also gives him space and time to think. "
Interviewer: "What about Dembélé?"
Xavi: "He will need some time. Barca is like a final exam for a footballer. It is like Dembélé is passing a Master degree right now because not everyone can play for this club. Why? Because you have to know things three times more than elsewhere. Barca play on barely thirty meters of play. Dembélé has a lot of talent, he is very fast, but here, he is not going to have the boulevards he had at Dortmund or Rennes. He had more space, so more time there."
Interviewer: "What will he do then?"
Xavi: "He will have to leam to think faster, in a few thousandths of a second. This is where we will see if he has the mentality. He must say to himself: 'l am a Barça player. ' You have to be mentally strong, to have convictions. There are average players who spent fifteen years at Barca, because they had a character. And there are some excellent players who did not do anything because they couldn't handle pressure. At training, when you saw them, you would say to yourself: 'They will break everything. It's going to be legends.' But no. As soon as they entered the pitch, their legs started shaking, they did not want the ball anymore. And you would wonder: 'Holy f*ck, what's happening to them?'"
Interviewer: "Is it the famous 'scenic fear' that Jorge Valdano talks about?"
Xavi: "That's it. Mental strength is what stabilizes the performance. That's what makes you stronger. When there is fire, Marcelo, Modrié or Sergio Ramos do not hide. On the contrary, it's at this moment that they appear. What did Lucas Vazquéz do against PSG? He entered the pitch with the desire win. A missile. The guy even went to Kimpembe. And there you say to yourself: 'What is he doing? He's crazy or what?' No, he's just mentally strong."
Interviewer: "You evolved in Barça, which has a very specific game philosophy. But you also played with a lot of foreign players. Are there various forms of game's intelligence in your opinion?"
Xavi: "It has nothing to do with the nationality but rather with the character of each player. Obviously, a Brazilian does not have the same vision of life as a German. Generally, they are rather playful. They relativize the problems better. When you see Marcelo, Alves or Neymar, you have the impression that they play in the street, without pressure. "
Interviewer: "Godin, who is Uruguayan and defender, says his responsibilities are so heavy that he never had fun on the pitch. Can you understand him?"
Xavi: "When you have a sense of responsibility, you suffer more. I have lived this early in my career. You want to do things right, to make people respect you. You want to be successful, so of course you do not enter the the pitch to joke. Still, he has to have fun at some point. It is impossible not to have fun. "
Interviewer: "Do you think that Godin sends so many balls out to avoid a little bit the pressure he feels or does he actually enjoy that?"
Xavi: "Godin is an extraordinary defender. He does not do that because he enjoys it. But we do not play at the same position, so I don't really know. But hey, I do not see where is the pleasure to do that anyway. Do it in the 93rd minute of play, to have control on the result, why not. But in the 60th or the 70th, what is the point? You still have time to find a solution, to take advantage! Clearing the ball is an intellectual defeat: 'Can I really do anything else there?' When you recover the ball and you lose it again, you give a new possession of ball to the opponent. Don't do that. Find spaces, pass the ball to the goalkeeper, dribble, get a touch by shooting the ball on the player you have in front of you. Do something, anything, but do not throw it out! My sense of responsibility prevents me from doing it. "
Interviewer: "What do you feel when you make a bad choice?"
Xavi: "l feel my heart coming out of my chest."