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Marshall D Teach

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We don't really have much to lose by betting on Xavi. Martinez isn't winning the league and Xavi's not going to miss top 4.

Would still have preferred it if the seniors were cleared out before Xavi came.
 

Xtroverto

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It is obviously way more difficult for Xavi in Qatar than it was for Guardiola in Barcelona B, while Guardiola faced off with regional managers the likes you have never heard of in a league completely comparable with the English Conference. Xavi is facing of with high level managers in Qatar only there because of ridiculous salaries, guys like Laurent Blanc who won the French league with both PSG and Bordeaux and coached the French national team in Euro 2012. Please name one single manager that Guardiola had to deal with in Tercera Division even worthy of carrying the water bottles for Larent Blancs team.

Some of the managers Xavi had to beat to win the Qatar league last season when he finished with 19 wins and 3 draws

Laurent Blanc (French 1 division champion 4 times with Boreaux and PSG)
Slaviša Jokanović (Watford, Fulham and Sheffield United) who promoted Watford to the Premier League, winning 15 of the last 21 games
Luis Castro who spent 20 years in Portugese football including coaching FC Porto before going to Ukraine winning the league with Shaktar
Heimir Hallgrimsson who as assistant coach to Lagerback took Iceland to the first ever Euro finals beating England to reach quarter finals, then took over as head coach and qualified Iceland for the World Cup finals for the first time ever.
Tintin Marquez who coached Espanyol in Primera Division against Guardiola and notably drawing away to Real Madrid, one of very few times Espanyol ever took a point at the Bernabeu stadium
 
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jairzinho

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I don't argue with you but actually what I posted in the poll is my thinking.
Martinez is a known quantity. Xavi is a wild card.
In a season without any expectations (one of many with our current financials) we don't need a certified mediocre manager. We also don't need a top manager because we will just waste his years with this squad. We need to bet on someone either making it big or failing big time. We can't rebuild by playing it safe.


We're in the worst shape in years, maybe decades. We need someone who at least knows what they're doing. Not a wild card. Xavi is a huge gamble to take on now imo and i think Laporta knows it too because if Xavi comes in and fails it will be a huge L for Joan, which is why he's hesitant. Xavi does sound exciting though but that's about it.
 

JohnN

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We're in the worst shape in years, maybe decades. We need someone who at least knows what they're doing. Not a wild card. Xavi is a huge gamble to take on now imo and i think Laporta knows it too because if Xavi comes in and fails it will be a huge L for Joan, which is why he's hesitant. Xavi does sound exciting though but that's about it.

Koeman is someone who knows what he is doing. He has experience. But I feel we need some excitement after all.
Xavi might as well be proved to be even worse than Setien, I can't argue for or against that. But even if he fails I cat see how it would be an L for Laporta. He would have done exactly as the fanbase wanted. I just don't want to see another caretaker and I think most people are tired of that too.
 

Porque

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We're in the worst shape in years, maybe decades. We need someone who at least knows what they're doing. Not a wild card. Xavi is a huge gamble to take on now imo and i think Laporta knows it too because if Xavi comes in and fails it will be a huge L for Joan, which is why he's hesitant. Xavi does sound exciting though but that's about it.

Then you could argue that what we need is a Valverde, someone who can bring stability But with an actual board and sporting director who makes the correct sporting movements.

But we are way beyond that now. We need someone who is either a specialist in maximising youth players at an elite level (prime Wenger) or someone who understands the clubs structure and will actively use the new generation (Xavi?).

Martinez seems more like a glorified Setien. Someone who talks well about football, has had smaller teams play eyecandy but ultimately hasn't really managed big egos and is not entirely astute as a tactician. He's managed Belgium but I'd argue that on an international stage they still have a small nation mentality despite their talent.

So right now we are in the middle of a rock and a hard place.

The other point is that in the brief transfer window experience this summer, the board did not show much guile in the market, which is another worry.

Also with us unable to sign anyone but more importantly unable to pay the compensation should we sack the manager (Setien) then what manager is going to risk coming here?
 
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Bobo32

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It is obviously way more difficult for Xavi in Qatar than it was for Guardiola in Barcelona B, while Guardiola faced off with regional managers the likes you have never heard of in a league completely comparable with the English Conference. Xavi is facing of with high level managers in Qatar only there because of ridiculous salaries, guys like Laurent Blanc who won the French league with both PSG and Bordeaux and coached the French national team in Euro 2012. Please name one single manager that Guardiola had to deal with in Tercera Division even worthy of carrying the water bottles for Larent Blancs team.

Some of the managers Xavi had to beat to win the Qatar league last season when he finished with 19 wins and 3 draws

Laurent Blanc (French 1 division champion 4 times with Boreaux and PSG)
Slaviša Jokanović (Watford, Fulham and Sheffield United) who promoted Watford to the Premier League, winning 15 of the last 21 games
Luis Castro who spent 20 years in Portugese football including coaching FC Porto before going to Ukraine winning the league with Shaktar
Heimir Hallgrimsson who as assistant coach to Lagerback took Iceland to the first ever Euro finals beating England to reach quarter finals, then took over as head coach and qualified Iceland for the World Cup finals for the first time ever.
Tintin Marquez who coached Espanyol in Primera Division against Guardiola and notably drawing away to Real Madrid, one of very few times Espanyol ever took a point at the Bernabeu stadium

bu-bu-but it's a farmers league and it isn't applicable to european football, they say, while claiming it to be racist to call someone a 'dutch pig'

What is needed in Barcelona is vision, a return to the roots, and a complete trust in the process.
No they do not need handlers like Valverde, there is no Messi there anymore, motivators like Enrique, there aren't so many world class players left. They certainly don't need someone like Conte, who takes over world class teams but can't stop moaning about the signings he doesn't get - he is also using a very different playing style.
 

vegitot

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It is obviously way more difficult for Xavi in Qatar than it was for Guardiola in Barcelona B, while Guardiola faced off with regional managers the likes you have never heard of in a league completely comparable with the English Conference. Xavi is facing of with high level managers in Qatar only there because of ridiculous salaries, guys like Laurent Blanc who won the French league with both PSG and Bordeaux and coached the French national team in Euro 2012. Please name one single manager that Guardiola had to deal with in Tercera Division even worthy of carrying the water bottles for Larent Blancs team.

Some of the managers Xavi had to beat to win the Qatar league last season when he finished with 19 wins and 3 draws

Laurent Blanc (French 1 division champion 4 times with Boreaux and PSG)
Slavi?a Jokanović (Watford, Fulham and Sheffield United) who promoted Watford to the Premier League, winning 15 of the last 21 games
Luis Castro who spent 20 years in Portugese football including coaching FC Porto before going to Ukraine winning the league with Shaktar
Heimir Hallgrimsson who as assistant coach to Lagerback took Iceland to the first ever Euro finals beating England to reach quarter finals, then took over as head coach and qualified Iceland for the World Cup finals for the first time ever.
Tintin Marquez who coached Espanyol in Primera Division against Guardiola and notably drawing away to Real Madrid, one of very few times Espanyol ever took a point at the Bernabeu stadium

He lost to an Iran animated movie in AFC Champion league :lol:

Anyway, all coaches you listed above are at their end coaching career. They just want big money while Xavi is at his beginning and wants to coach elite team in future. Big difference.
 

khaled_a_d

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Anyway, all coaches you listed above are at their end coaching career. They just want big money while Xavi is at his beginning and wants to coach elite team in future. Big difference.

Only 2 of those are older than 55, and the ildest is 60. Would argue that most of them could land a coaching job in 1st division in top 7 league in Europe.
Obviously they are there for money, like almost every footballer (player or manager) who has a job atm.
His point is valid, Xavi is coaching against better competition than Pep did
That said, it ignores the fact that coaching reserves is different, every move of the coach is seen by the club, he is already there.
If Pep was coaching another B team in that time, I doubt he would ever get the job.
 

vegitot

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Only 2 of those are older than 55, and the ildest is 60. Would argue that most of them could land a coaching job in 1st division in top 7 league in Europe.
Obviously they are there for money, like almost every footballer (player or manager) who has a job atm.
His point is valid, Xavi is coaching against better competition than Pep did
That said, it ignores the fact that coaching reserves is different, every move of the coach is seen by the club, he is already there.
If Pep was coaching another B team in that time, I doubt he would ever get the job.

Difference is these coaches purpose are only money while Xavi supposed to learn experience in order to return to coach elite teams in Europe. To be fair i think Xavi only aims for money, not experience. He is not that dumb to not realize that Qatar is light years below Europe.

Pep worked at B team and developed then promoted his young talents. Will Xavi bring any Al Sadd player to Barca???
 

khaled_a_d

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Difference is these coaches purpose are only money while Xavi supposed to learn experience in order to return to coach elite teams in Europe. To be fair i think Xavi only aims for money, not experience. He is not that dumb to not realize that Qatar is light years below Europe.

Pep worked at B team and developed then promoted his young talents. Will Xavi bring any Al Sadd player to Barca???

Working against better coach is better development experience than coaching against coaches who are working 9-5 job beside coaching in order to support their family, don't you think? Obviously if he has an offer from 1st division league it is a whole different story, but the only thing about B team experience is that it is that it makes you an insider and part of the club hierarchy
 

FC B

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It looks like he will be our new coach. MD claims that Laporta has nothing against him becoming Keman's successor. We can only hope that he will end up like Zidane, Pep or Lucho and not Pirlo, Lampard or Henry. IMHO considering our other options he is the best choice right now. I would also bet on him.

Imo he will end up like Pirlo, Lampard or Henry if he comes now, I hope he'll prove me wrong. But I wouldn't chose Martinez either, ofcourse.
 
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mc_lovin

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Imo he will end up like Pirlo, Lampard or Henry, ofc I hope he'll prove me wrong. But I wouldn't chose Martinez either, ofcourse.

Pirlo and Henry were terrible ideas in the first place. They never struck me as coach material. Just like Busquets, Puyol and Iniesta wouldn't. Not sure about Lampard though.

With Xavi I am really fucking hopeful. He knows how to present himself, how to talk etc pp... personally, I couldn't care less about experience, it's just important that he worked with a group before. I don't think there's a process to make him a safe choice (or anyone for that matter).
 
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Birdy

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Xavi Hern?ndez had a telematic meeting with the club where he was predisposed to comply with the requests. He will accept what they give him if he is the chosen one. End of debate.
 

BADGERBHOY

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Xavi Hern?ndez had a telematic meeting with the club where he was predisposed to comply with the requests. He will accept what they give him if he is the chosen one. End of debate.

I read that as telepathic :lol:
Wouldnt have surprised me to be honest.
 
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