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serghei

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From 1988-1994, Milan won 4 serie a tittles, more than any team, one unbeaten season. How can you say they barely won Serie A?

Dream team were extremely lucky to win 3 Liga tittles as Real and Deportivo bottled in their last game.

I'm talking about Arigo Sacchi's best Milan side who underperformed in Serie A winning only one scudetto in 4 years.

The point is you can nitpick and undermine BBZ style any side almost.

Cruyff won 4 consecutive La Ligas, 1 CL title, and played another CL final in 4 seasons. That's something like Klopp's Liverpool return, only with 3 more Premier League titles in that same timeframe.

Of course there was some luck involved. It nearly always is.

If there was some other team instead of Cruyff Barca, BBZ would go on to claim how much of a never-give-up attitude they had to fight until the end for the league and win it. It was like that back then, titles were won on narrow gaps most of the time. It was still 2 points for win and 1 point for draw IIRC.
 
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JamDav1982

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What was the point of refusing Laporta to go across then paying the 5m anyway?

Done nothing but refuse the request of Qatar, waste time and end up paying 5m by looks of it.

Top stuff again.

So against Qatar... end up being first time pay THEM money.
 

fergus90

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What was the point of refusing Laporta to go across then paying the 5m anyway?

Done nothing but refuse the request of Qatar, waste time and end up paying 5m by looks of it.

Top stuff again.

So against Qatar... end up being first time pay THEM money.

Pretty much all for his own ego after the public scorning of Bartomeu and Qatar. Somehow probably thought that not going there meant it looked like he was standing by principles or some nonsense.
 

BBZ8800

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If there was some other team instead of Cruyff Barca, BBZ would go on to claim how much of a never-give-up attitude they had to fight until the end for the league and win it. It was like that back then, titles were won on narrow gaps most of the time. It was still 2 points for win and 1 point for draw IIRC.

That's what media does.

For example, we have whitnessed RM's titles in 2014, 2016, 2017 and 2018.
And we do know that they weren't even winning La Ligas, that they were lucky in some seasons, that their opponents had insane brainfarts, that CR7 was never injured, that they have scored lots of late goals etc.

While we could say that they had a huge mental strength, there was also a lot of luck involved.
A lot of people would say that team was good, but nothing special.

But do you know what will happen in 20 or 30 years?
= RM's side which won 4 CLs will be hailed as the greatest side who has ever played football.
Not on our forum though, but everywhere else in the world it will.

That is my point.
When the memory is fresh, we know the real story behind the titles.
But over time, luck, injuries, refs mistakes and easy draws are forgotten and people remember only titles and records.
And this is why RM will turn into GOATs in 20 years.

Now apply the same recipe for Cruijff.
A very, very good team, but over time their play and results were romanticized and "improved".
Bad results, humiliations, lucky La Ligas and similar are forgotten and all we hear are legends about an amazing beutiful football which were winning titles left and right.

Add into the story the fact that people/clubs/nations who aren't used to a lot of success usually overhype their rare successful stories even more.
For example, imagine Olympic games and two countries, let's say Usa and Bosnia.
And Usa wins 100 medals while Bosnia wins a gold in female handball.
Usa won't make movies about a random gold medal (1 out of 100 which they won this year), but a small country will write books, make thousands of commericals, winners will be eternal national heroes and symbols of a nation.

Now apply the same principles to Barca.
For 100 years we weren't winning anything neither in Spain nor in Europe.
We were always behind Madrid, sporting wise and politically wise.
And then comes Cruijff, wins 4 La Ligas and the first CL ever, and of course that no one questions in which way those titles were won.
And a guy and his football turned into eternal symbols and legends.
Even though, when you dig deeper, the story is overblown.

And then you have million of Barca's fans who live in a bubble and overrate all of their players, trophies and heroes.
And then pair Pep's era which has roots in Cruijff's football.
And then, for majority of fans (you included), Pep is the greatest thing which has ever happened in football and till your death you will want to go back to Pep's style.
And then, if Pep's football has roots in Cruijff, how can majority of fans say anything bad or question Cruijff?

And that's it.
1. you have a reality, a team who was very lucky in La Liga and even in their only CL title
2. yet in Barca's bubble, the legend is closer to as if we had 20 points advantage in La Liga, dominating matches, winning 8:0 against everyone and fans were dying from orgasms in the crowd due to beautiful rondos during those 8:0 wins

So, don't believe everything you hear in closed bubbles/forums of any nation, football fans, movie/band fanpages.
Everything is overblown 200-300%.
 

Ghostmaster

Danger Ahead
Midfield of Spain NT + best Dutch player. I'd say there's enough quality to at least improve our midfield. Laporta has to help him out in defense and attack with some good signings.

Maybe do something with the medical staff as it's getting ridiculous with injuries.

He needs top striker above everything else, we can't win games if we don't score even if we create decent chances.
 

serghei

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That's what media does.

For example, we have whitnessed RM's titles in 2014, 2016, 2017 and 2018.
And we do know that they weren't even winning La Ligas, that they were lucky in some seasons, that their opponents had insane brainfarts, that CR7 was never injured, that they have scored lots of late goals etc.

While we could say that they had a huge mental strength, there was also a lot of luck involved.
A lot of people would say that team was good, but nothing special.

But do you know what will happen in 20 or 30 years?
= RM's side which won 4 CLs will be hailed as the greatest side who has ever played football.
Not on our forum though, but everywhere else in the world it will.

That is my point.
When the memory is fresh, we know the real story behind the titles.
But over time, luck, injuries, refs mistakes and easy draws are forgotten and people remember only titles and records.
And this is why RM will turn into GOATs in 20 years.

Now apply the same recipe for Cruijff.
A very, very good team, but over time their play and results were romanticized and "improved".
Bad results, humiliations, lucky La Ligas and similar are forgotten and all we hear are legends about an amazing beutiful football which were winning titles left and right.

Add into the story the fact that people/clubs/nations who aren't used to a lot of success usually overhype their rare successful stories even more.
For example, imagine Olympic games and two countries, let's say Usa and Bosnia.
And Usa wins 100 medals while Bosnia wins a gold in female handball.
Usa won't make movies about a random gold medal (1 out of 100 which they won this year), but a small country will write books, make thousands of commericals, winners will be eternal national heroes and symbols of a nation.

Now apply the same principles to Barca.
For 100 years we weren't winning anything neither in Spain nor in Europe.
We were always behind Madrid, sporting wise and politically wise.
And then comes Cruijff, wins 4 La Ligas and the first CL ever, and of course that no one questions in which way those titles were won.
And a guy and his football turned into eternal symbols and legends.
Even though, when you dig deeper, the story is overblown.

And then you have million of Barca's fans who live in a bubble and overrate all of their players, trophies and heroes.
And then pair Pep's era which has roots in Cruijff's football.
And then, for majority of fans (you included), Pep is the greatest thing which has ever happened in football and till your death you will want to go back to Pep's style.
And then, if Pep's football has roots in Cruijff, how can majority of fans say anything bad or question Cruijff?

And that's it.
1. you have a reality, a team who was very lucky in La Liga and even in their only CL title
2. yet in Barca's bubble, the legend is closer to as if we had 20 points advantage in La Liga, dominating matches, winning 8:0 against everyone and fans were dying from orgasms in the crowd due to beautiful rondos during those 8:0 wins

So, don't believe everything you hear in closed bubbles/forums of any nation, football fans, movie/band fanpages.
Everything is overblown 200-300%.

OK, but it seemed that you're not talking about football in general, but only about Cruyff Barca. Of course, everyone agrees that people remember and embellish on the good parts the most, it's normal.

Cruyff Barca is not named best side ever or something like that anyway. It was a world-class team with great results that made history for this club.

It's Pep's Barca that occupies a really special place if you want to go there, and with how much they've won, if you look closer at the games from back then, it leaves a feeling that based on the degree of domination they achieved over the other teams, they could have won more.

So if you are to do an analysis of that sort into Pep's Barca (real thing vs nostalgia-based embellishments), there's really more bad luck than luck on our side. The results don't do justice to the way that team played and toyed with the biggest teams.

Sure, you could point to close games like Chelsea 2009 away, but even then, if you look at the whole tie, we dominated Chelsea at home big time, and we were unlucky to end up with 0-0.

Aplying context not only does justice to Pep's Barca, but even make it greater than what pure statistics and documented record would show at first sight.
 
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Messigician

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Turki Al-Ali: Xavi informed us a few days ago of his desire to go to Barcelona at this particular time, because of the critical stage his hometown club is going through, and we understand this and decided not to stand in his way.

What??? We paid his release clause lol
 

Porque

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What was the point of refusing Laporta to go across then paying the 5m anyway?

Done nothing but refuse the request of Qatar, waste time and end up paying 5m by looks of it.

Top stuff again.

So against Qatar... end up being first time pay THEM money.

Probably didnt want to spend hours stuck in immigration, then have his plane stuck on the runway not being cleared to fly. Then get out and run to the embassy and end up cut up in pieces and fed to a camel.

All legitimate concerns, good job he is not in bed with the Saudi's...

Now to be serious for a second. If you are following the black gold, better to be on the side of the Sauds who are
Now pumping billions to build their global brand ahead of the Qataris. That is so 2008.
 

iniestaGOAT

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Lets go. Some people here were asking me what barca football really is. I wonder why these noobs are even supporting barcelona.

You will see soon.
 
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