Xavi Hernández

[BBZ8800]

Speed and stamina is where it's at in terms of fitness. Not as much muscles and height.

Speed and stamina is a basic, something like technique.

For example: a player with technique but without physique will be better than a guy with physique without technique.
But they'll both be destroyed by a guy who is both physical and technical.

In terms of physique, stamina and fitness is closer to Pep's Barca and City who relied on pressing, movement and pace upront and from wingers.
And that works for Pep.
But outside Pep, a stamina-fitness guy like Pedri-Gavi will eventually lose in CL finals to Chelsea-Liverpool-Bayern types who posses both stamina, fitness and technique plus more height and strength.

Rm who won 4 Cls had a nice amount of technique, mentality, stamina, fitness but also strength and height from Cr7, Benzema, Bale, Casemiro, Ramos, Varane.
Way more strength and height in midfield and attack than Pep's teams who are are sacrifying everything for movement-technique-link up combo.

This is why Pep has 0 shots in a Cl final and 10 years of mysery in a CL.

It works good against weaker league opponents where technique and possession is by far the best way to go.

Majority of recent Wc and Euro winners also had a mix of technique, stamina but also height and strength especially France, Germany, Portugal.

It will be interesting to see whether Spain with shortish players will win ever again in a new era.
It works good until a certain point, though.

Someone will reply: but but but it worked in 2008-2012 for Spain.
Well, it works if you have the best team ever so you can compensate for physique.
It hadn't worked before the golden generation and it is not working since.

 

[mc_lovin]

For example: a player with technique but without physique will be better than a guy with physique without technique.
But they'll both be destroyed by a guy who is both physical and technical.

How long did it take you to come up with this? Stopped reading after this.

 

[malvolio]

And I thought that we Romanians were good at gymnastics Jesus fucking Christ what a train wreck of a post from BBZ!

He contradicts himself from start to finish.

 

[serghei]

Somebody tell BBZ that Liverpool front 3 are all under average height. They score from crosses more than any other team probably. Why? Because they move a lot, provide excellent service with awesome crosses from their FBs, and are quick as hell.

 

[JamDav1982]

Speed and stamina is a basic, something like technique.

For example: a player with technique but without physique will be better than a guy with physique without technique.
But they'll both be destroyed by a guy who is both physical and technical.

In terms of physique, stamina and fitness is closer to Pep's Barca and City who relied on pressing, movement and pace upront and from wingers.
And that works for Pep.
But outside Pep, a stamina-fitness guy like Pedri-Gavi will eventually lose in CL finals to Chelsea-Liverpool-Bayern types who posses both stamina, fitness and technique plus more height and strength.

Rm who won 4 Cls had a nice amount of technique, mentality, stamina, fitness but also strength and height from Cr7, Benzema, Bale, Casemiro, Ramos, Varane.
Way more strength and height in midfield and attack than Pep's teams who are are sacrifying everything for movement-technique-link up combo.

This is why Pep has 0 shots in a Cl final and 10 years of mysery in a CL.

It works good against weaker league opponents where technique and possession is by far the best way to go.

Majority of recent Wc and Euro winners also had a mix of technique, stamina but also height and strength especially France, Germany, Portugal.

It will be interesting to see whether Spain with shortish players will win ever again in a new era.
It works good until a certain point, though.

Someone will reply: but but but it worked in 2008-2012 for Spain.
Well, it works if you have the best team ever so you can compensate for physique.
It hadn't worked before the golden generation and it is not working since.

Peps teams are dominating the best and most physical league in the world and it has been their defence that has been bigger issue in CL not a lack of goals.

Chelsea won that final with Werner at CF anyway if that is route want to go down. Why focus on who lost it and not who won it if all boils down to that one game?

BBZ you fail miserably every time when asked to pick out the physical teams that match your ideals before a tournament starts or during it after a few games.

But try hardest to find 'evidence' to back up ideas when looking back.

Same old story.

 

[BBZ8800]

BBZ you fail miserably every time when asked to pick out the physical teams that match your ideals before a tournament starts or during it after a few games.

But try hardest to find 'evidence' to back up ideas when looking back.

Same old story.

I failed myserably at Euro 2020 and with Germany in 2018.

On the other hand, I am absolutely NEVER wrong about City, Spain and Barca.

For example, there is no way that City will win a CL this year or that Spain will do anything significant on a WC.
[MENTION=15262]serghei[/MENTION], it is not only about the front 3.
JamDav, the same about Chelsea.
Liverpool and Chelsea are in overal both faster, taller and strength wise better than us.

Anyway, I just googled height of Chelsea, Barca, Bayern and Liverpool.
Google gives you the first team and 5-10 players from a bteam, around 30-35 players.

Results without Gks:
Chelsea
195 Mbuyamba
194 Mendy
191 Lukaku
191 Loftus
190 Chalobah
190 Rudiger
190 Havertz
189 Alonso
187 Christensen
185 Barkley

Liverpool:
195 Matip
194 Konate
193 Van Dijk
190 Philips
189 Balagizi
188 Joe Gomez
188 Fabinho
185 Jones
185 Origi

Barca:
194 Pique
189 Busquets
188 Araujo
188 Nico
188 Luuk
186 Lenglet
= Pique and Busi will retire soon, Luuk is a goner, Lenglet and Araujo are not starters, lol.

190+height, total number of players in each team:
7 Chelsea
4 Liverpool
2 Bayern
1 Barca

185+
10 Chelsea
10 Bayern
9 Liverpool
6 Barca

Shorter than 175:
1 Chelsea (Kante)
2 Bayern (Richards, Booth)
9 Liverpool
11 Barca (Ilias, Dest, Pedri, Gavi, Demir, Aguero, Coutinho, Alves, Alba, Puig, Alvaro Sanz)

Shorter than 178:
5 Chelsea (Azpili, Odoi, Pulisic, Kovacic, Kante)
6 Bayern (Sabitzer, Kimmich, Sarr, Gnabry, Richards, Booth)
13 Liverpool
18 Barca (Dembele, Fati, Roberto, Collado, Braith, Abde, Depay, Ilias, Dest, Pedri, Gavi, Demir, Aguero, Coutinho, Alves, Alba, Puig, Alvaro Sanz)

Do you guys still think that we are equal in this area to them?
If someone would make comparisons for weight of players based on their height, I guess that we would again have the lightest players.

That's just who we are.
We are basing our game around shorter, lighter mobile players who could in theory move the ball around easier than heavy players.
But if they aren't world class with the ball, they are exposed.
Can't fight, defend, jump.
On top of that: don't want to shoot.

That's all connected and has deeper roots in our footbal phylosophy and history.

 

[FinBarcelonafan]

Spains lack of success is mostly to their bad striker/attacker. Give them good scorer and they could win.

 

[serghei]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], didn't you already fecked up with Spain at Euro 2020? They should have played the final.

 

[Bobo32]

Spains current team has a lot less "star power" than most of the big european countries right now, but still were the best team both in the euros and in the NL.
To put one team (or one NT and two clubs) against all the other teams, and then only counting wins in very high variance knockout tournaments, is ridiculous.

 

[mc_lovin]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION], didn't you already fecked up with Spain at Euro 2020? They should have played the final.

Oh dear, you don't get it. If they were a few centimeters taller they would have aced that penalty shootout (and actually played the final).

 

[Gari]

Spains lack of success is mostly to their bad striker/attacker. Give them good scorer and they could win.

Fati is not only lacking in Barcelona.

 

[serghei]

Yea, BBZ has formed this weird notion of physicality in terms of... basically height, as if if you have 5-6 cm more than another player that is somewhat very relevant. When the game is played mostly on the ground in terms of speed, stamina, quick-feet, and basically things associated with a low center of gravity and being able to quickly change direction and keep your balance.

Look at Busi. He's 1.9 and mellow as hell. Give me 1.70m Verratti or Kante all day, every day. Being bulky, shorter, and strong on your feet is actually better in most positions (well, except CB and GK obviously), more beneficial than being a lanky 1.9 dude.

This is not basketball. Most overly tall guys actually suffer athletic downsides because they are less quick, not as mobile, and have slower reflexes.

 

[JamDav1982]

BBZ you absolutely are wrong about City when they do better than the teams you pick out and absolutely wrong about Spain who also did better than teams you picked out.

Never right basically.

Anyone can chose one team that wont win as odds in favour. Asking you to pick teams that meet your ideals dont fail as they dont win but fails as they spectacularly fail and go out before teams you slaughter.

See Germany 2018 and Portugal, France and Germany in the last Euros.

No one is asking you to pick winner but pick team that meets your ideals... got three of them after the groups you named at Euros and all out by next game. While Spain went out on pens.

You think Spain going out on pens makes you right when it doesnt at all and Spain v your x3 teams show how poor your essays are.

BBZ constantly contradicts himself and claimed during Euros Netherlands were playing outdated Cruyff football when were playing 352 and had one of the most 'physical' teams at the tournament.

 

[Zidane82]

Is Kante a physical player?

Physically super fit .. he is not physical like Pepe..

 

[iniestaGOAT]

Interesting line up.

No mingueza, no countinho.

Yes demir.