Zlatan Ibrahimovic

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
He's a stronger international player because he's more productive despite the disparity in quality of their respective NT's. He doesn't have to push Sweden beyond what can be reasonably expected to be recognized for his productivity at the international level.

When all you have to do is to play in qualifications and group stage you are playing in lower level than competing for tournaments (or at least playing in play-off stage) .both Messi and Cr7 has been playing on even higher level for their NT in a stronger games and oppositions i.e playing in tougher level .
Again ,he is productive for Sweden ,but that isn't even comparable to being productive with bigger NT
 

El Flaco

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people are on a hate campaign because of his Comments on Messi

Several times he has mentioned Messi as best in the world , but many dislike Zlatan For his statments against Messi in his Autobiography

I've Zlatan's autobiography next to me and couldn't find a single bad word he said about Messi...

He was world class but too much of a flop in the CL to ever be regarded as one of the best.

He's usually poor in knockout phase, to put it mildly.

I don't really think a team will win the CL with Zlatan on their side.

You could say the same about Fenomeno for example.

To begin with, Zlatan played 14 CL-seasons as a unquestionable starter to beguin with. Ronaldo only played 6 CL-season, but only made 6 apperences in his last two seasons (3 as a sub) and was left out from the squad many times due to several reasons.

Not a fair comparsion.

He hasn't been great in the UCL, but he's been a stronger international player than either Messi or Ronaldo. If 10+ domestic titles to go with his record and stature with Sweden doesn't make him a legend, than the title is reserved for a very small list of players.

I don't know if you're aware of it, but Zlatan was most of the time (rightfully) very criticized here in Sweden for his performances in the national team until Erik Hamrén was our NT coach and manage to bring him back. So please, don't say he's better international player than Messi.

And statistically speaking, he's doing very good in the recent years but that's only because our NT never had a tactic so focused on getting one player in scoring positions at the cost of our collective.

The 10+ domestic titles might be impressive, but it's a performance by the team.
And a lot of these titles, were due to lack of competition..
 
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Jair Ventura

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When all you have to do is to play in qualifications and group stage you are playing in lower level than competing for tournaments (or at least playing in play-off stage) .both Messi and Cr7 has been playing on even higher level for their NT in a stronger games and oppositions i.e playing in tougher level .
Again ,he is productive for Sweden ,but that isn't even comparable to being productive with bigger NT

Sweden just qualified for the Euro's, did they not?


When were Messi and Ronaldo playing at a higher level? Because both have been largely disappointing in international competitions. I'm not sure either has won anything of relevance for his country despite their NT's being talented enough to compete for trophies.


I don't know if you're aware of it, but Zlatan was most of the time (rightfully) very criticized here in Sweden for his performances in the national team until Erik Hamrén was our NT coach and manage to bring him back. So please, don't say he's better international player than Messi.

I don't know if you're aware of it but Messi is harshly criticized in Argentina with regularity due to his failures with their NT. His passion and love for the shirt is even questioned.

And statistically speaking, he's doing very good in the recent years but that's only because our NT never had a tactic so focused on getting one player in scoring positions at the cost of our collective.

Yea, I'm sure Zlatan's productivity at the national level can solely be attributed to his being overemphasized tactically, and if it weren't for this injustice, Sweden would be a much stronger & more successful team.

The 10+ domestic titles might be impressive, but it's a performance by the team. And a lot of these titles, were due to lack of competition..

Yes, Serie A is hugely uncompetitive. Zlatan winning the Italian championship multiple times with various clubs is purely coincidental, hence the regularity at which said things are achieved.
 
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silvia

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oh dont compare Worldcup final vs Germany and euro qualifiers vs Denmark
there is stellar gap between them. And his passionon and love? huh? you come up with at media bullshit again?!
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Sweden just qualified for the Euro's, did they not?


When were Messi and Ronaldo playing at a higher level? Because both have been largely disappointing in international competitions. I'm not sure either has won anything of relevance for his country despite their NT's being talented enough to compete for trophies.

Wait,what? Messi is now a legend in Argentina . we aren't in 2010 anymore man
Same for Cr7 .he is the top scorer in Portugal history IIRC .both was a part of a success of their teams in the past decade
It isn't like Ibra himself was a part of anything spectacular with Sweden .just a gr8 player in qualifiers and Euro group stages .that isn't even amazing for Sweden team who has done better than that multiple times
 

El Flaco

Active member
When were Messi and Ronaldo playing at a higher level? Because both have been largely disappointing in international competitions. I'm not sure either has won anything of relevance for his country despite their NT's being talented enough to compete for trophies.

You're right, what a fucking disaster Messi has been for Argentina. It's clearly not good enough by winning MVP awards in WC & Copa America and having a huge influense in the game for Argentina even as an midfielder. But hey, Argentina has showed they can actually perform well in WC qualificers even without him.

I don't know if you're aware of it but Messi is harshly criticized in Argentina with regularity due to his failures with their NT. His passion and love for the shirt is even questioned.

Read from what I said above.

Yea, I'm sure Zlatan's productivity at the national level can solely be attributed to his being overemphasized tactically, and if it weren't for this injustice, Sweden would be a much stronger & more successful team.

Yes, Zlatan's teammates doesn't really search for their captain every time. And Sweden was really a disaster when we'd the mentality "all of one, one for all" pre-Hamrén and our U21-team was poor in the Euro this summer with such a motto.


Yes, Serie A is hugely uncompetitive. Zlatan winning the Italian championship multiple times with various clubs is purely coincidental, hence the regularity at which said things are achieved.

Yes, really competitive when PSG made Ligue 1 a one-horse race due to lack of competition. Same thing can be said about for what Internazionale did in Serie A. Or Juventus was still rebuilding, Inter were going downfall after the treble while Milan won their league title.
 

Internazionale

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What a goal. And another bicycle kick saved on the goal line. He's on fire atm. Although he hit the post from 2 meters :lol:
 
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raskolnikov

Well-known member
I see no reason for him to retire or go to the US for example. He can easily beast it for 4/5 years more despite his current age.
I hope he goes to United to rejoin Mourinho. I would like to see Ibra in the epl, even now.
 

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