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Barring some kind of footballing miracle from Ronaldo in his year or so left in football Messi just about edged him regardless of anything that happens in the final. There isn't much of an argument to be made for Ronaldo other than he has more CLs. Messi got that GOAT title regardless.

Takes one to know one, as they say... :lol:

Regarding Spain and Germany : it is not like they just got unlucky this tournament, those two have been on a steep decline for quite some time now after their successes of the previous decade. Germany have been grouped twice in a row now at WC, knocked out early last Euros also - Spain went out...

They will probably end up having to play France anyway so wouldn't say it is a particularly easy path or one that discredits their win.

Pen or no pen Croatia could've been out there for days on end and not scored. Didn't make much difference to the game.

He was good with Milan but he is a more basic player who doesn't really stand out at anything and doesn't progress the ball that well, either passing/dribbling, whilst FDJ is much more talented and would have a lot of top clubs in for him. Doubtful that any of the top teams come in for Kessie...

Maybe underwhelming but I wouldn't put him in the flop category as over his time here he has been a consistent starter and put in a lot of good performances. The reality is that there are very few players who exist that can single handedly carry a team to the top in today's football and most...

Winning leagues and CLs with who though? You expect Frenkie to single handedly carry this dysfunctional club with Qatari league manager to a CL? Those guys who you're naming are playing at top clubs with good coaches who create better and modern tactics. Here we have the ghost of Barca DNA...

Just an example of how a team with far less resources has produced results, whilst people cry poverty about LE's Spain team (which the weakness of is partially of his own making, having left so many good players at home).

Croatia made it to the semis with a similar setup that you describe, except way worse attackers than Spain. They also made it to the finals last time. End of the day that midfield 3 is also flat and uncreative and don't do much other than circulate the ball sideways. It's nice that they can...

Griezmann actually had a lot of goals and assists in his time here but he is remembered as so shit because of the terrible fee paid for him. If he was signed for like 50m and reasonable wages then he would have been a good signing but we paid Ballon Dor level money for him (Barto special)...

Everyone is shite except Trincao with his 1 goal per year ratio.

2.7 - 0.6 in favour of Brazil. If Brazil finished their chances everyone would be talking about how Croatia rolled over and were terrible. Now talk is about how Brazil were outclassed despite creating far more the whole game. Missed chances sway people's perception of games.

Wasn't soft and ref would have been entirely within his right to give that. Especially if they for some reason wanted to screw over Croatia, why wouldn't they give that?

Can one of his supporters actually concretely state what he brings to the team without using platitudes like 'controlling things' or 'opens up the game'? Any actual benefits to playing him other than cute one touch passes?

If you play favourites, better back it up with some results. As coach of Spain has been pretty poor and underwhelming whilst leaving some of Spain's best players like Thiago at home completely, not even calling him for the bench. Time to go.

Ferran is not slow, he just isn't that good. People are conflating dribbling ability with speed, they are NOT the same thing even if they are related. Ferran is one of the faster players we have but his technique is bad so he isn't a good dribbler.

For Enrique players like Thiago and De Gea were not even good enough to make the squad list, whilst Unai Simon and Gavi have undisputed starter roles. Arrogant and unlikeable character who thinks this 'Barca style' of playing is superior to all others.

1 win in 4 games for Spain this World Cup.

Is Busquets even capable of putting any power in his shots? Bizarre you give a crucial penalty to a guy who scores once a year.