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Ryu Hayabusa
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Crazy talk.
His sweeping and passing skills are superior to Bravo's, his temporary greatness in terms of shot saving is better than Bravo's, overall he may not be as reliable as Bravo.
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Crazy talk.
His sweeping and passing skills are superior to Bravo's, his temporary greatness in terms of shot saving is better than Bravo's, overall he may not be as reliable as Bravo.
Catta
Senior Member
Oh come on, Bayern didn't have a chance i that match, the only reason they scored those goals as because we put our foot of the gas pedal, we did what was needed in that match, if the players wanted it I'm sure they could have trashed you again
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Ryu Hayabusa
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Barca wasn't even the better team despite the early lead, with the goals having been scored on the break. What you are doing is revisionism! Ter Stegen made several very good blocks against shots from Müller and Lewa for instance. Barca played at full strength, Bayern's team was still severly hampered. Even if Barca "took the foot off the pedal at some point", it still isn't guaranteed that they could have stemmed themselves against the tidal wave and get back into the game after conceding the third (or with a lesser goalkeeper, the fourth or fifth), especially with Suarez off the pitch. You do remember how Porto broke within 20 minutes against Bayern?
Not saying that this whole would have been a likely scenario, just pointing out that without Ter Stegen's crucial saves in this match, this could have gone a different way altogether.
Luftstalag14
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Ryu, what do you mean by that?
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Ryu Hayabusa
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Ter Stegen, also in the Bundesliga, always had games which were absolutely phenomenal in terms of defusing absolute rockets of fired shots, very similar to the young Neuer. Still, there were also games which made him look very ordinary. That's what I meant by "temporary greatness.
Science Kid
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It's always like this...once a player gets here his perceived quality jumps for about 50%.Just wearing the jersey gives you special powers.
I love how we have a ''small sample so we can't judge his national appearances'' when in reality in the first 3 games he played he conceded 12 goals and was atrocious in each and every one of those.Last game for Germany U21?5 conceded goals,etc...
He hadn't played a minute here and he was already a secured starter and a legend in the making.Thankfully Bravo had other ideas.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
So I guess him being inconsistent is essentially what you are saying?
May I ask, since in your eyes he's such a talentless turd, which young keeper is actually worthy in your eyes?
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serghei
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Bravo's great with the ball as well, so that's not really something Stegen has and Bravo lacks. Instead, what Bravo has over Ter Stegen are very important qualities for a goalkeeper. Leadership, experience, consistency.
The bolded part. That doesn't exist. It's a fabricated quality. Unless you're talking about the keeper's reflex, which is also something Bravo is very good at.
TornAndFrayed
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Agreed. But Mats is young and will improve. Not taking into account mats' need for playing time, i'd play bravo over him.
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vigneshFCB
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So goals being scoring on the break no longer count? In 2013, barca had 67% possession in the first leg and 63% possession in the 2nd leg. A PEAK BAYERN, playing against a rubbish Barca were more than happy to play defensive, basic brutish neanderthal football (before you kill me, I am only using your arguments...) In the 2nd leg BARCA had 17 shots against a mere 7 shots for Bayern. Defensive, isn't it?
Exactly, your argument (which I was borrowing in the above para) is just rubbish. Barcelona are better technically than Bayern. Barcelona are also more cerebral, philosophical than Bayern....don't say that Bayern may have advanced.
Let us get a few things straight:
1) Barcelona are just better than Bayern and hence deserved to win. No more rubbish about ''Bayern may have advanced''
2) This is just my opinion, but Ter Stegen is not really better technically than Bravo
3) ter Stegen is more brutish than Bravo, which may help aerially though
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serghei
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I agree. As long as he doesn't feel entitled to be no1 without deserving it. I'd play Bravo instead of him for 1 more season. Stegen should just accept he's the better player for the moment and work hard to make the most out of his chances. If he doesn't accept that, he can take the easy-Thiago-route out for all I care.
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