1 - Marc-Andre ter Ansplant

[God Serena]

Most people will agree the goal was not his fault, including myself.

However, the way HE IS ALWAYS FROZEN really worries me. Makes absolutely no effort to dive for shots that come from outside the box. That shot by Vela could've easily gone in. Mind you, he's a professional keeper. He should be diving for any shot that comes from outside the box unless it's a laser cannon ala Roberto Carlos.


How I miss Bravo. Master shot stopper and very fundamental keeper.

Your "Master shot stopper" was conceding goals left and right when the team was in poor form and didn't make a single save in the last Clasico.

 

[mark1nhu]

Why is he frozen all the time?

Vela's shot on the post in the dying minutes.
He stands and watches the ball.

I know that he couldn't catch the ball, but with other Gks, they at least jump towards the ball even though they can't reach it.

This looks so strange and as if he is totally not interested in goalkeeping.

I agree with you, in the sense that I really dislike this.

BUT...

This didn't cost us a goal, YET. As long as we don't suffer from that, I will stay patient.

 

[kilian]

If you only read this forum you would think that Bravo is a keeper of Buffon`s level. In reality, he is nothing more than a solid keeper, who chose to be at another team.

 

[NorthernVictory]

What does it have to with Bravo at Barca?

A player can be a perfect fit for one club/league and meh in others.

Bravo was a perfect fit for Barca.
Mats is light years from proving that he is as good fit as Bravo was.

Bravo can concede 2000 goals per game in other teams.
It won't change the fact how good he played for us, while he was here, how reliable he was and how he will be remembered.

** Valdes is also poor today in other teams.
Does that make Mats looks better suddenly?

You're committing a logical fallacy.

You can't go back in time and say "because of that, it will be like this."

Was Bravo better than Ter Stegen during his time here? It was actually 50-50, because Ter Stegen actually never played consistently in the league.

Would Bravo be better, NOW, if he was playing for Barca in the league? That's not knowable. The only thing we can apply is probability, but this probability is still, ultimately, based on speculation and conjecture.

You can say that [A] If Bravo was consistently good in the league during his time at Barca, then he will continue to be good RIGHT NOW.
B doesn't follow from A. And to even assume B is true, is to use a lot of inductive conjecturing.

We can also apply the same logic to MATS, or anyone else. And it will still fail.

You can't actually take Bravo out of his current situation and put him in Barca. Maybe Bravo's failures right now are due to the fact he's declined, or maybe his head is screwed up. We actually don't, or can't, know these various factors.

But to make these claims as if they are TRUE, or logically valid, is absurd.

 

[evilhita666]

Mannequin challenge...

 

[El Flaco]

Mannequin challenge king

Why is he frozen all the time?

Vela's shot on the post in the dying minutes.
He stands and watches the ball.

I know that he couldn't catch the ball, but with other Gks, they at least jump towards the ball even though they can't reach it.

This looks so strange and as if he is totally not interested in goalkeeping.

Came here to post exactly this.

Mannequin challenge...

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[Total-Football]

i wont say a bad thing about him except the fucking yellow card , that was unprofessional .. u had all the time of the world to run your ass off back to the goal without that stupid yellow..

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[dakt]

a bit harsh, but yeah....

 

[El Flaco]

Ter Stegen's conceded goal from Willian José vs. Real Sociedad

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[Barcaman]

I don't know how many corners plus crosses Sociedad made (must be more than dozen) but Stegen collected none. Not even one ball. And more than few were flying not that far away from him. Absolutely 0 aerial ability.

 

[Potroh]

i wont say a bad thing about him except the fucking yellow card

I can say a bad thing about him but that's a truly important one:
He could easily let another three goals in, because whenever he has no direct eye-contact with the ball, he doesn't even move. His worst moments were when two balls hit the post and when two other balls just went a bit wide - him doesn't even reacting to the ball - at all... Horrible...

 

[mark1nhu]

I can say a bad thing about him but that's a truly important one:
He could easily let another three goals in, because whenever he has no direct eye-contact with the ball, he doesn't even move. His worst moments were when two balls hit the post and when two other balls just went a bit wide - him doesn't even reacting to the ball - at all... Horrible...

That one from Vela was not a bad move IMHO, the shot was almost perfect.

But great point about seeing/not seeing the ball.

 

[Behrox]

I can say a bad thing about him but that's a truly important one:
He could easily let another three goals in, because whenever he has no direct eye-contact with the ball, he doesn't even move. His worst moments were when two balls hit the post and when two other balls just went a bit wide - him doesn't even reacting to the ball - at all... Horrible...

Can you elaborate on the no direct eye contact part cause I can't understand how the reaction should be in a situation where he can't see the ball. I agree although that he should try to go for balls even though he might think they can't be reached or won't go in

 

[Neeraj]

This was always going to be a very important season for him. So far, he hasn't shown he has what it takes to be our starting keeper. He just doesn't have that presence about him, that you get with really good keepers. Top keepers stop things they had no business stopping. They make the difficult look easy. They are composed and don't make too many mistakes. MATS has shown none of these qualities so far. Some of his supporters here go gaga over any decent stop he makes in any game- that's his job, if he lets every ball go past him he wouldn't be here. I was positive last season, but now, I'm having my doubts about him.

 

[Potroh]

Can you elaborate on the no direct eye contact part cause I can't understand how the reaction should be in a situation where he can't see the ball. I agree although that he should try to go for balls even though he might think they can't be reached or won't go in

From the GK's perspective direct eye contact is when he is able to see and guess the trajectory of the ball at the very 0.1 (or less) second when the attacker touches it in order to shoot or do anything else. There are GKs who are very good at this guesswork mathematics, whereas other GKs are of the more instinctive type and mainly good at blocking shots from close distances with their full body. Although the close-shot situation is usually more dangerous, they're still able to see the ball, so they can employ their best reflexes.
When the former type is unable to see the ball and hence the very moment of the shot, they become still and static, beaten, because their reflexes start kicking in only when they first see the ball, but often it is too late for them.

(It's a century old debate between experts to judge a free-kick situation, if it was easier for the good GK WITHOUT the wall, because in that case they'd be at least able to see the trajectory. Many GKs allow free-kicks in, because they can't see the ball due to the wall or hedge, so they start reacting when it's too late).

MATS clearly belongs to the second category of GKs, able to block many close-shots, but he often remains a planted-tree in the middle when he doesn't see the ball's first milliseconds.
If you watch the goals he got this season, you will see that more than 50% of cases he is standing there and his reflexes simply don't kick in - at all.

Bravo, for instance, is a good combination of the two basic types, one has rarely or never seen him standing like a tree - being beaten...
The best type of GK should always at least TRY to reach out for balls coming, even if some are clearly unstoppable, but they need to employ their reflexes all the time, not just in cases when there's a chance to stop the ball somehow...