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[serghei]

Bilbao had 7 shots on target and scored 1 goal against Neto. A couple of those shots were actually difficult, not straight at him.

I am waiting for a game with Stegen where he faces so many shots, "protected" by a terrible defense on the night, and concedes just one goal. When that will happen, I will come in and say, good game Mats, you had a busy night with quite some work to do and pulled it off well.

And that's Neto, btw. Imagine how much better a top-tier keeper would do.

 

[jamrock]

To what level exactly has he been poor? Considering he is playing for one if the biggest teams in the world?.

 

[JamDav1982]

Bilbao had 7 shots on target and scored 1 goal against Neto. A couple of those shots were actually difficult, not straight at him.

I am waiting for a game with Stegen where he faces so many shots, "protected" by a terrible defense on the night, and concedes just one goal. When that will happen, I will come in and say, good game Mats, you had a busy night with quite some work to do and pulled it off well.

MATS is far better keeper than Neto.

That cherry picked stat means nothing.

 

[jamrock]

Like serghei said he rarely makes those "unsavable" saves which is what is expected from a WC keeper that plays for a team like Barcelona, he isn't trash but he doesn't elevate his game often enough, you can't look to him to keep you in a game, unless all the shots are in is comfort zoo.

 

[JamDav1982]

Like serghei said he rarely makes those "unsavable" saves which is what is expected from a WC keeper that plays for a team like Barcelona, he isn't trash but he doesn't elevate his game often enough, you can't look to him to keep you in a game, unless all the shots are in is comfort zoo.

That is absolutely not what he is saying or what is being argued against.

 

[serghei]

Neto vs Stegen, shots on target / saves.


Neto:

3+7=10 shots. Conceded 3 goals. Conceding rate 30%.

Stegen:

3+7+2+3+2+6+3+3+0+5 = 34 shots. Conceded 13. Conceding rate: 38.24%.

There you have it. Stegen conceded more goals per shots on target than Neto. Statistically.

Again. This is NETO. Not Neuer, not Oblak, not Mendy or somebody else. But our back-up keeper who barely ever plays. I reckon if we actually did trust Neto more and he'd settle in, he'd blow Stegen's disaster shot-stopping percentage away.

 

[JamDav1982]

There you have what?

You think that makes Neto the better GK?

Argument gets worse each post.

 

[serghei]

There you have what?

You think that makes Neto the better GK?

Argument gets worse each post.

Nah, shot-stopping ability never makes a keeper better than another. Looking cuter while balls are flying in the net past you do.

You're more likely to score against Barcelona if Stegen is the keeper than if Neto is. According to the stats we have this season.

 

[JamDav1982]

Not aware of anyone arguing that MATS has let in a lower % of shots than Neto in his two games this season or why anyone would.

Terrible argument you actually took time to go and count them all up.

Wasted time there.

Heres a hint.. small sample and not all same shots faced.

This may be your worst argument yet.. 'Neto is better shot stopper than MATS'

 

[serghei]

Not aware of anyone arguing that MATS has let in a lower % of shots than Neto in his two games this season or why anyone would.

Terrible argument you actually took time to go and count them all up.

Wasted time there.

Heres a hint.. small sample and not all same shots faced.

What a low point to even go there.

All goals that Neto received are very hard to save.

Let's see:

Freekick in the corner by Oyarzabal. Shot near the bar by Sociedad player from close range. Header right near the post by Martinez.

Try again.

 

[JamDav1982]

That is not even relevant.

Small sample size and not all same shots faced.... that includes those saved not just scored.

Try again.

Stats are wrong anyway. Go work out where.

 

[serghei]

That is not even relevant.

Small sample size and not all same shots faced.... that includes those saved not just scored.

Try again.

All stats in the world are gonna be discarded from now on because not all grass was cut equal, and not the same teams faced at the same moment in time, and the angle between Jupiter and Mercury in relation to Earth was not the same.

Okay... Sonny Jim, got me there.

 

[JamDav1982]

All stats in the world are gonna be discarded from now on because not all grass was cut equal, and not the same teams faced at the same moment in time, and the angle between Jupiter and Mercury in relation to Earth was not the same.

Okay... Sonny Jim, got me there.

Nope I said the save % does not tell story when one player played two games and only time faced that many efforts this season.

You stats are wrong anyway.

Also small sample and not all same situations faced.

Neto is not better shot stopper than MATS.

Your latest shit show.

 

[ajnotkeith]

MATS might be the worst performer out of any 'top' goalkeeper in the one stat we have for this which is Xg/goal ratio.

xG is only a theoretical probability so it can't account for amazing finishing in one isolated game for example but over time forms a very positive correlation as not every team we play has amazing wonder finishing every game.

Last few games :

Real Madrid, 2 goals conceded :

1 - Alaba 0.05 xG. Very low percentage shot. Good shot from Alaba but basically the only place he can put it.

2 - Vasquez 0.70 xG. Not a lot he can do about this one.

Total xG of Madrid shots on target : 1.21 - 2 goals conceded. Performed poorly compared to what he is expected to concede.
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Valencia, 1 goal conceded :

Gaya 0.02 xG. Good shot but again very low percentage, from a long way out and not exactly bottom corner either as he gets a touch to it.

Total xG of Valencia shots on target : 0.14 expected - 1 goal conceded. Performed very poorly in this metric again.
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Atletico Madrid, 2 goals conceded :

1 - Lemar 0.48 xG. Very close and not easy to save but a top keeper will save some of these occasionally.

2 - Suarez 0.28 xG. Another shot close to the goal but from a saveable angle. Again a top keeper should stop some of these occasionally and old Ter Stegen could.

Total xG of Atletico shots on target : 0.86 expected - 2 goals conceded. Again performing very poorly in this metric.
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Yes, a keeper will concede great shots sometimes and good shots but as a top keeper you need to save some of them occasionally too and win your team points, every single great/good shot goes in and sometimes meh shots go in as well.

 

[ajnotkeith]

If we had a top keeper that makes big saves sometimes and can win us points we'd win games like today.