10 - Lionel Messi - v1

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Clockwise

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Take D105 away from thread title - lose 2 consecutive games with Messi not scoring. Well done mods, well done.

On a more serious note: he played like a boss. But one does not simply partner the world's best player with a 20 year old B player and a fucking fullback upfront. No movement in the final third, no one creating space, no positional interchanges. Tello was repeating the same old trick, trying to outpace Arbeloa, running the ball out of play numerous times. Alves wasn't any less predictable playing upfront. Taking on the fullback - searching a sideway pass to Messi - done. Pepe and Ramos had absolutely nothing to do and could fully concentrate on Messi's movements. Until Sanchez came on: bang, goal!

Furthermore I think the false 9 system is getting found out. When we started playing it, CBs didn't know wheter to track Messi or to leave him to the DM. He created confusion inbetween the lines. Now teams are prepared for it and know what Messi is going to do. They keep the lines tight, block the passing channels to him and simply crowd him out, keeping him away from goal. He's not dropping extremely deep lately because he wants to play in midfield but because he's forced to do so by the other team's formation, otherwise he won't see anything of the ball, being surrounded by like 4 - 6 players all the time who are paying very close attention to him.

Guardiola's trying to change things but a 3 man backline is not the way forward. Bielsa is the master of 3 man backlines and even he found out (by not winning any of his first 6 games with his 3-1-3-3 formation with Athletic) that it can only fail against the default 4-2-3-1 formation that is being played in Spain. Why? Because 3-4-3 vs. 4-2-3-1 automatically means 3 defenders vs. 4 attackers. Busquets playing 2 positions and slotting into CB doesn't help at all. It just creates more room for Özil. I bet Özil was the happiest person on the planet yesterday when time and time again he saw Busquets running away from him to help out in defense. You can play a 3 man backline against Granada, Real Sociedad, Osasuna and all the other La Liga teams. No big deal. Because Barcelona has a € 600 million squad and other La Liga teams have a € 50 million squad. We could even play 2-5-3 because individually we are just so much better. But we can't do it against Real Madrid, currently the world's finest and most dangerous 4-2-3-1 counterattacking formation. Nor is this the answer against any other big team in the Champions League. So just give it up and find another solution.

nice post.

some thing I really want to see more of in future is Leo Messi as a 10 and Villa nearly as a 9 up front, the two were wreaking havoc in the CWC with that formation up until Villa broke his leg. They also kept changing places in between which added to our front line unpredictability. we could use Sanchez up there as well to help with fluidity.
 

Clockwise

Buccaneer
Agree with Barcelonista.

Leo's body language and facial expression is indicative of a player mentally and physically exhausted, but also one who's let down by his team mates.

He's the greatest of this generation. But there is only so much he can do himself all the time. It's a Team sport that calls for a collective effort. It's high time, those around him start taking more responsibility. Or we'll end with a trophyless 2012.

maybe we need that...
 

BarcaGirl

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I wonder what Arbeloa said, that got Leo so angry.
 

Deco 20

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We're so Messi-dependent it's sad. When the opposition makes sure he doesn't get close to goal, we can't finish our chances. Luckily things looked better with Sanchez on.

@Raed: So Arbeloa's excellent protection? Or plastic and (morally) flexible? Or just someone who's job it is to ride ... I won't spell it out
 

jairzinho

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We're so Messi-dependent it's sad. When the opposition makes sure he doesn't get close to goal, we can't finish our chances. Luckily things looked better with Sanchez on.

@Raed: So Arbeloa's excellent protection? Or plastic and (morally) flexible? Or just someone who's job it is to ride ... I won't spell it out

Yep. you couldn't phrase it any better. As super human as Messi is, he needs more support up front, especially scoring wise. Someone else has to step up, whether its Sanchez, Pedro or Cesc. Teams are starting to realise that the only real and legit scoring threat right now is Leo, Hence the reason, he's found it difficult in recent matches.
 
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crackh0e

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Because some of us appreciate his positive contribution to the team so much that the one or two bad touches he makes is irrelevant. Like someone already stated, he is behind EVERYTHING we do going forward, even when in "bad form". When was the last time Xavi made an assist and Iniesta for that matter? For the amount of knocks he gets in the name of tackes, I am very suprised how he manages to keep his cool. These are the kinds of attributes that makes it very hard for me to be critical of Messi. Yes, he could improve but so can the rest of the team.

Please, compare Messi to Messi, and not other players. No matter what form he's still better than 99.99% of players.
 

SeloBarca

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maybe we need that...

You know, ive been thinking that myself. We have won SO much for so long now. Hubris or lack of motivation becouse of "we have won everything" can kick in. It might be good to get something to "win back" to motivate the players

EC and Barca not winning the league probably cost him the Baloon
 
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