10 - Lionel Messi - v3

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AURELIUS

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La Furia said:
Part of that is Sabella's system. He's truly a pupil of Bilardo (minus some of the gamesmanship) - his cowardly tactics have hurt Argentina's attack to shore up its defense, and Messi is the one player with the freedom to carry them.

The Maradona comparisons are too easy, but Sabella has followed the textbook to make a team dependent on Messi for goals.
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Hallo again La Furia. Sabella got his tactics and personnel spot on the other day. They were wonderful to watch in qualification and several other players chipped in with goals and played well with Messi.

He is a Bilardo disciple but I am sick of seeing us playing beautiful football as in 2006 and 2007 and not winning anything once because Pekerman fouled up and the other because a referee allowed 60 fouls in one game.

He has managed to get the best out of Messi but for fitness issues and teams bunkering like hell they have not been able to score three or four at will as in the qualifiers. 23 years and all those talents but no trophy. :( Fingers crossed this is the year.

I also disagree with the message about the midfield and forwards. It was running smoothly in the qualifiers and the forwards were defending from the front. And they showed that to an extent against Belgium where the game was managed like Germany did against France.

For the first time in this World Cup I even felt a degree of relaxation. Only Chile now go down the route of all out attacking and dear Jose P. Why remove Aguilar for Guarin ? Maybe in time he can return to coaching the youth teams.
 
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Doctor on the injury of Angel Di Maria: match against Holland no go, but could possibly make it for the final if we get there
 
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He looks really happy :)

Glad at least Aguero is back.
 
King Leo

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Levezzi makes everyone laugh around. Cracked a couple jokes about the Sabella videos surfacing the net.

BTW I am so happy that Christiano has been forgotten from this forum and the outside football world. God I cant stand that arrogant guy one single bit.
 
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Messi, Aguero, Lavezzi and Higuain.
Biglia and Masche since Sabella rates Enzo as a winger :p

Lavezzi is great at tracking down in defense to help Rojo with Robben. Holland defense is weak and they dont have no DM.
 
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La Furia said:
You are mostly right - Bilardo is the most successful coach in Argentine history, and as much as those of us who glorify Menotti and Bielsma might find that a distasteful fact, under the idealistic coaches Argentina has been nothing but an under achiever. Brazil has been exclusively coached by pragmatists since Tele Santana in 82, I hate them for their boring football masked by "joga bonito" marketing, but for Argentina, the divide between beautiful football and pragmatic, cynical football has always been more complex - the two coexist together, and a coach like Sabella, to his credit, understands that need to balance.

I find this Argentina team hardly inspiring, Sabella has made some poor decisions only to be bailed out by a weak draw and Messi, but there's still a reason this is the furthest Argentina has gone since 1990. I'm still bitter Pekerman never got the chance he deserved after constructing the best Argentina side in 20 years, but he failed precisely because of his team's failure at its attempts to grind out wins. At least Pekerman has found redemption elsewhere.

But I understand what you mean. This is a very flawed Argentina side, and only slightly because of Sabella's squad selection. Going all out attacking would be a disaster with that weak central midfield and undisciplined forwards.
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Again, agree with almost all. Beautiful post Nolan.

As per the more idealist coaches like Pekerman for example since he was in it now, we all wish that had worked out but alas when ur "midfielders" take flat passes for granted, you put ur teams success in the hands of a artistic 10 (whether the great roman or James) and ur midfielders take an eternity to find their mark after conceding possession you cannot win at elite level. Too often both pekerman's Argentina and Colombia for instance found only marking 6-7 and often ki flat positions and not doing pressure/cover/balance properly or too slowly.

This was precisely y I knew Scolari would have his number. They can whine about refs all they want but it was niave and they those coaches had too many players that didn't do the basic things, even mark properly on set pieces. It was only matter of time till Colombia ran into top team and coach to expose them.

For Sabella, he shows the plain fact that against good teams at least 8 need to mark for two complete rombos (each romboa and that is why according to the competition he has rightfully shored the side up in the quarterfinal stage. This is football now. Both argentines and brasilians have known this for decades like u pointed out but brasilians have consistently implemented it bar the 2006 fiasco. The Dutch started doing it to back when and then the Italians then Spanish then German. So I disagree tho when u say sabella relies on Messi to save him. No, that was much more the idealist tactic to rely on the 10 so much. Sabella's team is not built like this nor was his brilliant estudiantes.

Also, how bout effin San Lorenzo Nolan?!!
 
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