10 - Lionel Messi - v5

Mitchell1978

Senior Member
Messi's game never relied on physicality, so how is it possible?

The other day Messi dribbled a guy from the midfield, made a run and scored a great goal. So much overreactions here. As always. It's the same everytime he has bad games.

Its crazy, stats aren't everything but he's averaging around a goal a game this season and has scored several goals in crucial times, without that barça would have been out of the title race a long time ago.
This constatn overreaction, not just here but look at Neymar's thread the last couple of months, is pathetic.
 
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FlaFCB

Guest
If he doesn't have the physicality/fitness to support him, how does he dribble past players? That requires a lot of gas in the tank.

And I am NOT talking about today, I am talking about several years later.

Driblling doesn't require great stamina, running does. A professional player also doesn't lose fitness, as long as he trains. And his passing, vision, and others also don't need that much effort. His biggest problem today was being tired and uninspired. Messi needs to play less. He's the only player that played all matches in 2017, IIRC. He just got a few minutes of rest vs Bilbao. It's too much.


Its crazy, stats aren't everything but he's averaging around a goal a game this season and has scored several goals in crucial times, without that barça would have been out of the title race a long time ago.
This constatn overreaction, not just here but look at Neymar's thread the last couple of months, is pathetic.

Indeed it is.
 

Meatball

New member
What set Messi apart from other players is his football IQ, and IQ can be affected by mood! He was in bad mood today obviously! But his walking and the "seemingly don't care" attitude really pissed me off tbh! Still GOAT though
 

Raketa10

Senior Member
Honestly guys our entire team is disbalaced because we do not have proper RB in our roster.
Number of problems emerged from that:

1. No one covers Messi in defense
2. entire midfield is shifted to the right so Rakitic had to play RM/RB position
3. Roberto who could be decent midfield backup is being played as RB and all stronger teams will exploit that
4. there is zero penetration in attack from right side
5. because all of that above we shifted to 3-4-3 and in this formation there is basically no need for LB so Alba and Digne are at no use in this formation and Messi has to play behind 3 attackers where he is covered all of the time. In addition to that we do not have proper RW since Rafinha and Denis are defenetely not technically strong and fast enough.

So all our problems started in summer when we decided that RB is not a priority while it was clear as a day this will be our no.1 problem trough entire season. I hope we buy a world class RB this summer and shift back to 4-3-3 ASAP.
 

oggmar

New member
Its crazy, stats aren't everything but he's averaging around a goal a game this season and has scored several goals in crucial times, without that barça would have been out of the title race a long time ago.
This constatn overreaction, not just here but look at Neymar's thread the last couple of months, is pathetic.

Its one of the reasons I'm starting to visit this forum less and less. It wasn't like this 5 years ago not even close.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
If his fitness is that bad then he needs to come off and allow himself to get properly fit again.

It is clear he doesnt like missing games or being substituted and it is something that needs addressed.

I'll reply to the other posts later, but in regards to this one, I semi-agree. If it is a problem then it does need to be solved.

However this is a very unique case we're dealing with so it's not easy. This is the biggest legend in the club by far and the best player. He's played an astronomical number of games every season for most of recent memory and tends to deliver when doing so. Do you think it'd be logical for him to doubt himself or ask to be played less? It's something he'll have to come to terms with more as he ages and it's not easy because the decision is pretty much entirely in his hands. Most other players would get rested/benched after poor performances due to competition with other players. Messi hasn't been affected by this since he was a teenager and he's still by far and away the best option in his position, competition will never threaten him until he's truly declined. It might not be totally fair but it's reality.

It's not the go-to call in a 29 year old player's mind to stifle himself. It's also not easy to tell a player who has been performing at a ridiculous level for practically a decade that concessions will have to be made with regards to certain matches. There were always going to be a set of issues that come with having a player with such a ridiculous level of talent AND longevity, I actually kind of feel grateful to have this problem now that I think about it :lol:.

This current coaching staff and the next one need to figure out a way to make it work though. Off the pitch, he needs (and probably/hopefully already gets) a high level of individual attention to his regimen to keep him sharp and fit in training. The nutritionist was a very good call and similar ones need to be made. It's a necessity to rest or sub him more often in dead rubber matches. You could also fine tune the circumstances of Messi's walking that he expends less energy in small matches and is sharp for bigger ones. I don't know if Messi has ever had this conversation with the staff so we can't really know how much of his walking at the moment is done by design. If they haven't discussed it, then they need to. Every aspect of Messi's decline needs to be explicitly handled so as to mitigate the problems and keep him fresh/healthy when we need him for as long as possible. The best player in the world requires the best handling and care in the world, it's the only logical way to extend the lifespan of Messi's prime.
 

Meatball

New member
Robert s just confirmed that Barca won't sign a right back anytime soon! The right wing has been dead this season! I miss Messi - Alves link up play so much!

If the board can spend ton of money on the like of Gomes! I don't see a reason why not bring home a quality right back like Bellerin (he doesn't want to be at Barca or Arsenal don't want to sell? I have no idea)! I don't like this board at all!
 
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Devils

Senior Member
He should have just gotten his yellow card last week and served his suspension today.

No idea how one goes from a performance like the one against Celta last week to what we saw today.
 
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FlaFCB

Guest
Robert s just confirmed that Barca won't sign a right back anytime soon! The right wing has been dead this season! I miss Messi - Alves link up play so much!

He meant signing a rb now, to replace Vidal who is injured.
 

Meatball

New member
He meant signing a rb now, to replace Vidal who is injured.
Yeah, I know! But practically and financially, can Barca buy a quality right back in the middle of this season? Just asking cuz I don't know the transfer rules or the market situation right now!
 
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FlaFCB

Guest
Yeah, I know! But practically and financially, can Barca sign a quality right back in the middle of the season? Just asking cuz I don't know the transfer rules or the market situation right now!

It'd need to be from within la liga. The player that would possibly come would be Deportivo's Juanfran. And he wouldn't be cheap. It's best to wait.
 

snowy

Well-known member
The way I saw it, he was the most threatening player in the 1st half with good passes, dribbles and attempts. Sure he didn't score but it wasn't for lack of trying or motivation. I might give it another look but he didn't appear lazy to me.

 

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