10 - Lionel Messi - V6

[Stoichkov1]

I AM for changes and trying something new.
But look at our forum, Barca's fans on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram.

You will hear:
This player is not BArca's DNA.
We don't play Barca's DNA.
We should play 433.
We can't play 442 or anything else.
Crossing is not our style.
We lack possession and control, that is not our style.

In short, Klopp's football is quite different to "BArca's DNA", quite different to a setskill of our core players.
So, for playing Klopp's football, we would first need to sell a lot of our core players, which is impossible.
We would need to buy new players, with less BArca's DNA.
And then we would play a different type of football.

If we would have good results, people would still whine: BUT we are not playing Barca's way. This is all good, and this is NOT why I fell in love with Barca's TikitTaka/Possession football.
If we would have average results, people would say: fire this clown and go back to our roots, aka Barca's DNA.

In short, I don't see how Klopp would fit here with all these sentimental and historical BArca's DNA roots in majority of our fans.

I'm not really interested in what fans want, what matters is what Bartomeu and co think and they think like our fans which is a disgrace.

In the last decade we had one world class coach who was Pep and even then we decided to hire him when he was a nobody.

After Pep there was Tito, Tata Martino, Luis Enrique and now Valverde, all unproven managers or managers who failed in their previous clubs(like Lucho). But they were hired because they played for Barca lmao

Someone like Klopp would fit perfectly and would bring off the ball movement and intensity to our lazy players.

 

[MagIX]

Why we can't hire Klopp and start running like a normal team?

I'm tired of that Barca DNA managers bullshit.

Klopp, Allegri, Sarri, Ancelotti are miles better than Valverde and they don't have Barca DNA.

Klopp would have done a totally different transfer market.

 

[Sumlit]

I don't understand how you guys can watch this team now for 1+ season and continue to not see the issue. I come here after games like today's and I see people blaming players like Messi and Coutinho for poor performances, when it's completely and utterly evident, as has been for some time now, that the issue with this team is squarely at the feet of the manager.

Players cannot consistently perform under poor tactical situations. As it is, both Coutinho and specially Messi, have been able to still drag the team and hide the flaws. Yet when they inevitable cannot do it every time, people go after them instead of going to the root of the issue.

Barca cannot, and will not succeed with this manager unless something drastic changes. He is completely undermining the squad.

It isn't a matter of adjustment at this point. Not after 1+ season. The team remains without identity, without clear ideas on how they play, so naturally, when shit hits the fan, outside of some individually brilliant move, they have no clue what to do.

 

[BBZ8800]

I'm not really interested in what fans want, what matters is what Bartomeu and co think and they think like our fans which is a disgrace.

In the last decade we had one world class coach who was Pep and even then we decided to hire him when he was a nobody.

After Pep there was Tito, Tata Martino, Luis Enrique and now Valverde, all unproven managers or managers who failed in their previous clubs(like Lucho). But they were hired because they played for Barca lmao

Someone like Klopp would fit perfectly and would bring off the ball movement and intensity to our lazy players.

I am not against Klopp.

I am just saying, after listening to our fans for 20-25 years, I am quite sure that our fans are quite emotional and connected to our roots.
Fans and media would whine: this is NOT Barca which we love. #FreeBarca and similar.

Further, if you hire Klopp now, you need to sell/release Suarez, Busquets, Pique and a lot of guys.
That means a huge loss since all of them have wages like 15-20 Millions, right?
And if you want to get rid of them, you need to pay them a remaining of their contracts since no other club will give them those wages.

And if they don't want to leave, then they will sit on stands, get 15M per season, and we will spend 100M for new signings and again pay 10-15M for their wages.

This is just my rough estimation, but getting a new coach with totally new ideas IN THIS MOMENT would probably cost us 200-300M in terms of new transfers and further 100-200M due to Suarez, Busquets, Pique and their contracts.
So, we would need to spend/lose/invest probably 200-400 Milliosn for a coach against whom fans will whine that he is not playing Barca's DNA football.

All in all, our board and our fans are not ready for radical changes, so imo, you can't hire a different coach in this moment, especially with long term contracts with Busi, Pique, Suarez, Rakitic and everyone.
Those players can play only Barca's DNA style or something similar and they won't leave our team.. for cheap.

 

[Pedro]

Poor from Leo, let's Hope he scores vs. Tottenham at Wembley next week.

 

[Stoichkov1]

I am not against Klopp.

I am just saying, after listening to our fans for 20-25 years, I am quite sure that our fans are quite emotional and connected to our roots.
Fans and media would whine: this is NOT Barca which we love. #FreeBarca and similar.

Further, if you hire Klopp now, you need to sell/release Suarez, Busquets, Pique and a lot of guys.
That means a huge loss since all of them have wages like 15-20 Millions, right?
And if you want to get rid of them, you need to pay them a remaining of their contracts since no other club will give them those wages.

And if they don't want to leave, then they will sit on stands, get 15M per season, and we will spend 100M for new signings and again pay 10-15M for their wages.

This is just my rough estimation, but getting a new coach with totally new ideas IN THIS MOMENT would probably cost us 200-300M in terms of new transfers and further 100-200M due to Suarez, Busquets, Pique and their contracts.
So, we would need to spend/lose/invest probably 200-400 Milliosn for a coach against whom fans will whine that he is not playing Barca's DNA football.

All in all, our board and our fans are not ready for radical changes, so imo, you can't hire a different coach in this moment, especially with long term contracts with Busi, Pique, Suarez, Rakitic and everyone.
Those players can play only Barca's DNA style or something similar and they won't leave our team.. for cheap.

You don't have to sell everyone to hire Klopp.

Klopp is considered a world class manager because he improves the players. Our players have enough quality to play decent football, I'm sure Klopp would love to work with Rakitic, Messi and Busquets.

 

[BBZ8800]

You don't have to sell everyone to hire Klopp.

Klopp is considered a world class manager because he improves the players. Our players have enough quality to play decent football, I'm sure Klopp would love to work with Rakitic, Messi and Busquets.

You are underestimating age and motivation of our players.

Mane 26
Firmino 26
Salah 26
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Keita 23
Wijnaldum 27
Henderson 28/Milner 32
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Robertson 24
Van Dijk 27
Lovren 29/Moreno 26
Alexander 19

Look at their team, attackers aged 26.
Midfielders around 23-28.
Fullbacks 19 and 24.

Then look at Barca:
Messi 31, Suarez 31, Rakitic 30, Busquets 30, Alba 29, Pique 31.

Klopp's teams have:
1. younger players/on their prime
2. players who haven't won too much in their careers, who are motivated and hungry
3. physically prepared and running like crazy

Now again, we have core players aged 30, who won CLs, World cups, Euros, played WC finals.
Majority of them are slow, can't run, and have won everything in a club football.

So, imo, NO, Klopp can't make THESE players to run.
He could build a new team, though and keeping Coutinho, Dembele, Malcom (and Messi) and similar and buying 7-8 new players.

A board would never except such a risk.
And again, remember how fans would whine: this is not Barca's DNA football.

 

[Stoichkov1]

You are underestimating age and motivation of our players.

Mane 26
Firmino 26
Salah 26
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Keita 23
Wijnaldum 27
Henderson 28/Milner 32
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Robertson 24
Van Dijk 27
Lovren 29/Moreno 26
Alexander 19

Look at their team, attackers aged 26.
Midfielders around 23-28.
Fullbacks 19 and 24.

Then look at Barca:
Messi 31, Suarez 31, Rakitic 30, Busquets 30, Alba 29, Pique 31.

Klopp's teams have:
1. younger players/on their prime
2. players who haven't won too much in their careers, who are motivated and hungry
3. physically prepared and running like crazy

Now again, we have core players aged 30, who won CLs, World cups, Euros, played WC finals.
Majority of them are slow, can't run, and have won everything in a club football.

So, imo, NO, Klopp can't make THESE players to run.
He could build a new team, though and keeping Coutinho, Dembele, Malcom (and Messi) and similar and buying 7-8 new players.

A board would never except such a risk.
And again, remember how fans would whine: this is not Barca's DNA football.

What about Milner who is 32 and runs 15 kms per match?

 

[Raketa10]

Name ONE world class manager with Barca's DNA except Pep (who has BOTH trophies under his belt and a nice playing style).
Since, our fans will approve only those type of coaches.

We can't hire Klopp and run like Liverpool.
Our players can't run that much.
Our players from La Masia are learned from the early days to pass and move, not to run like crazy. (If you get my point, those styles are just too different in it's core).
And imagine getting Klopp and if his results would be average after a few Months.
Fans all over the world would whine:
1. results are poor
2. plus, we don't playing Barca's way

In short, how to hire a coach:
1. who plays Barca's way
2. who is experienced and can handle Messi, Suarez, Pique, Busi, Rakitic and their egos and bench them if they don't fit into new ideas?
3. who has big titles under his belt?

I can't think of any names.
Guys will mention Sarri.
Well, let's see how many trophies will he win.
People also wanted Sampaoli, well he turned out bad.
And people also wanted Monaco's coach.

I would take Tuchel in a heartbeat. Sarri might have his flaws but he is for sure much better than Valverde. I agree that Klop has a different style but I don’t agree our guys can’t run, yes they can which was clear under Enrique in his first year when they were in fantastic physical condition.

Can you remember the intensity of pressing La Masia players were abble to play under Pep? Look at Suarez, Pique or Arthur do they look physically 100% fit to you? It’s all about manager, physical preparation is also responsability of Valverde’s coach team. Do you think that City or Lpool play wonderful football only because those players are great, strong and fast? No they are in perfect physical condition while majority of our players look dead tired after 50 or 60 minutes.

 

[Barcilliant]

It's time for Messi to show leadership off the field and have some serious words with Valverde and the seniors. We are a joke at the moment.

 

[FCB1987]

CR also didn't score and Madrid also losing

not the worst day for Leo in the end

 

[Pedro]

CR also didn't score and Madrid also losing

not the worst day for Leo in the end

Yup Barca will still be top, they losing 3-0

 

[Givenchy]

at this stage why would Klopp even want to leave Liverpool? great manager and personality but hes in a job with less pressure, the media love him and all the fans love him. Barca and laliga pressure is another story.

I agree with BBZ for once however I'd go for a cup manager (like Ancelotti but obviously not Ancelotti) to get the best out of the golden genertation we have left in the CL then phase them out with a new manager like Klopp to bring up the youth (Dembele etc)

 

[Raketa10]

at this stage why would Klopp even want to leave Liverpool? great manager and personality but hes in a job with less pressure, the media love him and all the fans love him. Barca and laliga pressure is another story.

I agree with BBZ for once however I'd go for a cup manager (like Ancelotti but obviously not Ancelotti) to get the best out of the golden genertation we have left in the CL then phase them out with a new manager like Klopp to bring up the youth (Dembele etc)

A cup manager? And who is a cup manager in your mind? There is a good or bad manager and not a cup or league manager. Our managers after Pep were so fucking average that even Villarreal wouldn’t be proud for having those names on their bench.

 

[Givenchy]

A cup manager? And who is a cup manager in your mind? There is a good or bad manager and not a cup or league manager. Our managers after Pep were so fucking average that even Villarreal wouldn’t be proud for having those names on their bench.

a cup manager (to me atleast) is an Ancelotti/Jupp type, older, respected and not here for the long term, focus is on getting the most out of our oldies for the CL. currently we have a midtable manager, lucky in the league and out of his depth in the CL

our managers have been shit since Pep because our board seem to have this idea that because they got lucky and struck gold with Pep, every ex-Barca barca-dna bullshit manager could potentially turn gold again, don't be suprised if Unzue is up next. its a failed and flawed way forward, we need a proven world class manager. were not evolving and even worse were buying players (Dembele) that don't fit our style.. change the fucking style or get left behind