11 - Neymar Jr. - v4

[KyletheMuslim]

Neymar did more than he needed to today as the main man, fine performance

 

[Barcaman]

Lol @ "main man"

Game dead, man extra. Then, only then, he showed up.

 

[Total-Football]

I have zero doubt about him bein the next ballon d'or outside Messi Ronaldo .. he has every right to claim it and he's backing it up with the performances .. Today he did what he does almost all matches .. fantastic contribution to the offense and sound defensive work ( got the ball back from opposition at least three times ) .. but hey !! who gives a fuck about defensive work .. just wait until the goal is scored and pin it on mascherano or pique or mathiew

 

[Icarium]

Both sides of arguments are stupid. He was definitely not our main man yesterday, he benifited from the team played well as overall. He did not lead them but he did use the teams momentum to increase the lead. Kind of what ronaldo does in all matches, that is an important thing to do. Neymar can rack up goals when in form, only ronaldo and messi does it better. I am talking about wingers here, he creates lot of chances too unlike cristiano. But doesnt score as much as cristiano. Messi is just in a different league then comes ronaldo. But after that neymar is the best winger. Even on his average day he is top 10 player. But when in form easily top 5.

Some of the criticism is fair, he needs to be part of the team rather than being an individual. Until he does that he will always get criticized. But that doesnt mean he is useless for the team. He is our best attacking threat after messi. At least be objective and acknowledge that while criticizing. Anyone who doesnt is clearly biased and dont even bother to discuss. He is not to immune to criticism, even i am frustrated by his solo useless moments which is effecting our game when he is performing bad. Needs to be quicker and pass it around. Drawing fouls by dragging the ball is not a bad thing btw, that is his job. Yellows and reds and without the card he gets into opponents mind and there is a high chance of mistakes from them. But only when he takes it extra level it gets frustrating. We all agree that Neymar can improve and this is not his best. No need to constantly fight over the topic. Every match thread five pages of same discussion. It never settles.

 

[El Flaco]

 

[mark1nhu]

Lol @ "main man"

Game dead, man extra. Then, only then, he showed up.

He was involved in the build up the entire match. Unless "showing up" for you is just scoring and assisting.

 

[RMU ReBorn]

Griezmann has been playing much better than Ney for the last year, and to the pain of my heart, you could even argue that a horse like Bale had a better year than Ney, so I'm not asking him to be superhuman really, because even for normal football standards, Neymar is not on top this year...

Bale didn't had a better year . Him carrying wales is a myth . i watched Euro's and realized that Ramsey was their best player . if i remember well he didn't played against Roma in R16 and didn't had any impact in Qf and final, only worthy contribution was his cross against shitty which lead to the deflection . He was great in classico though .

 

[Blaugrana Bull]

And I would trade all these for one goal vs Atletico. Stop throwing stats in our faces, it doesn't tell a full story. Stats alone portray Ronaldo as probably the best player that has ever played the game.

How about all of Messi's and Luisito's goals for a goal vs Atletico?

 

[mark1nhu]

How about all of Messi's and Luisito's goals for a goal vs Atletico?

Nah, they don't have these kind of obligations. They already are loved.

 

[BBZ8800]

How about all of Messi's and Luisito's goals for a goal vs Atletico?

Again, in shorter:
Guys who were consistent in a past, can get away with some hot and cold matches currently. Read: Messi, Suarez.
A guy who is hot and cold (more or less) since always, can't get away with hot and cold matches currently. Read: Neymar.

He is our best attacking threat after messi.

I am not sure what you meant by attacking threat, but my personal choice will always be: if someone tells you that we have to play either without Neymar for xx Months or without Suarez for xx months, I would always say: give me fit Messi+Suarez.
No Neymar in our team is a less damage than no Suarez.

Just my personal pick.
So, in my eyes, Suarez is our 2nd best attacking threat after Messi.

 

[Icarium]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] I used "attacking threat" just so i wouldnt have get into suarez neymar fight. But looks like i am not clear about it still. If i think he is our best player after messi i would have said so. But between suarez and neymar it is hard to chose. Neymar has age but suarez is more consistent and less number of off games At least this year, last year I think Neymar has been the second best player in the world. This year he may not even in be in top 5. Turned up for brazil though. But based on his club performances suarez is easily better this year. And if this hot and cold form continues then all your points prove to be true. But i have hope and patience, season is long. I am sure he will do well in the coming months. At least i hope.

Okay lets get back to my original point, he is more complete than suarez and has that something special. He creates chances out of nothing sometimes. He can score and also create. He showed that during messi absence last year. He is more dangerous to deal with, that is just my opinion. But you can also make a point about suarez with his physique and off the ball movement does the same thing. But neymar's off the ball movement is not that bad either. I do agree that suarez is more crucial to our system as there is noone else in the team who can do what he does. Maybe paco can fill that gap, we will have to wait and see. But without messi i have more hopes on Neymar than suarez to lead the team. Luckily messi is only injured for 3 weeks. But if he gets that surgery and neymar still shows inconsistency then we can forget about this season. Without neymar creating chances it is hard for suarez to shine and he will look clueless on the pitch. Our midfielders are good but they dont create enough chances to win every match.

 

[ViscaBarca99]

Point is: Suarez IS more important for Barca since he is the striker/Goal getter in the Team. Neymars role is different, but since we have Messi, many think Neymar is not needed (that's way many say he should change the Team to be the main man). But without Messi, the Team would struggle horribly if Neymar wouldn't take the leading role and People here seem to ignore the fact that we have the best two game-changing wingers/playmakers.

At the Moment, Messi and Suarez seem to have a free pass for everything since their 2016 has been better than Neymars, but does that mean that we shouldn't rate his recently good/amazing performances just because he has been too inconsistent?

 

[te amo barca]

Each of MSN is crucial, but Neymar is indeed the least important piece of puzzle (and the worst).

 

[Jadentheman]

I consider them all equal. If Neymar didn't exist, Messi and Suarez while would get breakthroughs would still struggle. Not to mention Neymar's game enables Suarez to roam freely

 

[Neymessi]

Point is: Suarez IS more important for Barca since he is the striker/Goal getter in the Team. Neymars role is different, but since we have Messi, many think Neymar is not needed (that's way many say he should change the Team to be the main man). But without Messi, the Team would struggle horribly if Neymar wouldn't take the leading role and People here seem to ignore the fact that we have the best two game-changing wingers/playmakers.

This. People need to realize neymars role is wayyy different than suarez. Even when neymar has bad games he is never invisible because he is always trying to create and make shit happen. Suarez on the other hand goes invisible many times because his role is restricted to poach around the goal looking to score. How many times has it hapenned that suarez doesn't do much most of the game and boom scores a goal? When you have a role that neymar and messi have its easy to not look great with failed dribbles and failed passes trying to create a lot for the team. Suarez is great, but he has it much easier than neymar restricted to 'scoring'. Of course he isn't like cr7 who just scores easy ones but you get my point. You can throw his assist stats in my face but that won't mean he is a 'creator'. Just like cr7 assists stats can mislead someone into thinking he is a creator. Can't imagine suarez dropping deep and dribbling and creating like neymar or messi.

When people say suarez is more consistent they need to realize the roles are very different and in an era where comparing players is a hobby, its imperative to realize some things can't be compared because both have different roles and for me its easy for neymar to look shit with the role he has.