11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

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Neeraj

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Suarez's attitude is just toxic. His obsession with passing to only Messi and ignoring everyone else is so annoying to watch, and to boot, after he stinks up the pitch virtually all game, barks like an animal at Dembele. Get the hell out of here, I would trade Suarez for a smaller name, more hard-working and humble striker easily.
 

te amo barca

Blaugrana al vent
People writing him off after getting injured constantly and never getting into rhythm properly, lol. He is one proper season away from being top 5 wingers of the world. Doubters.
 

vuji_31

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This is my first time writing in this thread.

First of all first time I saw his clips from Rennes I liked him.
That fake shot is out of the world.Buy far best.
His ambidexterity is really rare.
His pace and dribbling is great.

After Messi he is my favorite player.

But I think Barcelona is not best team for him.
He would be so much dangerous in counter attacking team with faster players.
He seems like he is not being used 100 percent.

He can be world class player but not in the Barcelona.

If you noticed from YT his best moments and plays are from RW.
And we know that is on the paper Messi place.

There where few games with him on RW , while Messi was playing.

Demebele have good passing but he is always wanting to give risky pass, or dribble few more players then he should.

He is really most talented winger in world but I think he will not tolerate too long Suarez and Coutinho's ignoring.

Barcelona needed to bring Hazard when Neymar left at any cost.

In my opinion they need to sell Coutinho to PSG or Chelsea while they can.
Get some fast striker that can match up Dembele by pace.
Play counters when they can to use his pace.
 

vuji_31

Senior Member
And also my bets are that Dembele starts against Liverpool.

There fullbacks have each for 10 assists that means they are really high attacking which leaves space.

Dembele is our only pace guy so it comes to him to use that big space against Liverpool.
Thats why Valverde was playing him a lot of after injury and it will be suicide to play with Coutinho in first leg.
 

Nothanks

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nah coutinho was brought out specifically to be rested for liverpool

you're gonna see a

--coutinho---suarez----messi
----arthur------------rakitic
-------------busquets
-alba---lenglet---pique---roberto
-------------ter stegen

if we are losing 2-0 at halftime we'll bring on dembele for arthur and move cou in the mid valverde is pretty easy to predict in that sense.
 

Havesaks

Senior Member
Dont know why he gets so much shit. I missed the second half, but he looked good in the first. Havoced levantes defence, opened the game, dribbles etc. And just came back from injury as well - I have great hope that he will develop as a leading offensive force if he can stop getting injuried all the time. He also needs to play on the right.

He has defintely contributed a lot to our season and is clearly outperforming our star-signing coutinho. That said, he shouldnt start vs Liverpool, we need stability and solid structure in The first 60 min., because lfc Can easily punish stupid errors
 

Donatello

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your boy Mbappe isn't doing any better these days. :lol:

Losing to french farmers even in a mickey mouse copa.

This.

I know Mbappe looks like a much better prospect, but he still plays in Ligue 1. So, technically he plays in a much easier environment compared to Dembele.

Even if he were as good as he is expected to be, the recent antics evolving around him are a serious issue,

* Seems like he has became an egoistic person, who prioritizes his personal glory. Well, it has its perks, but we saw what happened with Neymar, & I'd rather take a team player who makes a little or no fuss about that atm, we need guys who are willing to accept Messi as the main man atm.

* He isn't as mature as people make of him. He's definitely very good, but he also makes silly mistakes e.g diving too often, losing temper (remember when he wrongly stood up against referee earlier this reason, and now his recent incident..)

I get that Dembele is still in his dormant phase. But he still made a lot of contribution, with much less controversy. We need a support player for Messi for 2-3 years at least, Dembele is a good choice. He has his flaws, which he is already working on. I can see him becoming an integral member in post Messi era.
 

FCBfan22

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This.

I know Mbappe looks like a much better prospect, but he still plays in Ligue 1. So, technically he plays in a much easier environment compared to Dembele.

Even if he were as good as he is expected to be, the recent antics evolving around him are a serious issue,

* Seems like he has became an egoistic person, who prioritizes his personal glory. Well, it has its perks, but we saw what happened with Neymar, & I'd rather take a team player who makes a little or no fuss about that atm, we need guys who are willing to accept Messi as the main man atm.

* He isn't as mature as people make of him. He's definitely very good, but he also makes silly mistakes e.g diving too often, losing temper (remember when he wrongly stood up against referee earlier this reason, and now his recent incident..)

I get that Dembele is still in his dormant phase. But he still made a lot of contribution, with much less controversy. We need a support player for Messi for 2-3 years at least, Dembele is a good choice. He has his flaws, which he is already working on. I can see him becoming an integral member in post Messi era.

Great post.

A few more things: Dembele plays like he doesn't care vs Sevilla, he gets benched for a month and ade to play RB.

Mbappe plays like he doesn't care and nothing happens.

Dembele caused a penalty once for the opponent and probably got destroyed verbally from the seniors after the match for it.

Mbappe almost destroys opponent's knee, nothing will probably happen.

Dembele makes one mistake in the attack and gets shouted on by Fatass.

Mbappe makes a mistake, Cavani isn't allowed to say anything.

Dembele has a lot of senior players to teach him how to be profssional, while Mbappe has Neymar, Verrati and Thiago Silva.


That are all things why I think Dembele will progress more than Mbappe.
 

Neymessi

Active member
BBZ was right. Sorry for trash talking you, you saw this coming from a mile away.

He has been wrong so many times so often. When you criticize so many you are bound to be right one time or the other

He belittled Mats back then and mats is killing it today. Just one instance of the top of my head.
 
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BBZ8800

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Regarding Dembele and how teammates are ignoring him...
Maybe some guys here should stop to post crazy conspiracy theories and crazy alibies and just go with Occam's razor principle in similar cases in the future.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the one that requires the least speculation is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation. Occam's razor applies especially in the philosophy of science, but also more generally.

So, for example, if a player doesn't play too often (let's say Malcom).
1. the most likely explanation is: he doesn't play because he is meh
2. other, more crazy explanations are: he slept with EV's wife or EV is mad at the board for not buying Willian and a poor guy Malcom is suffering

On larger samples, you guys will realize that probably in 80-90% of cases, the most simple and the most logical explanation will turn out to be a correct answer.

The same is with: if a player doesn't play under 3-4 different coaches in a row (but fans rate him highly). Well, he usually doesn't play because he sucks, not because ALL coaches hate him for some reason.
The same, if a player (for whom fans think that he sucks, let's say Rakitic) is playing as a starter under several different coaches, there is usually a strong reason for that.
Again, it is NOT because he has EV's nudes or something.

Now, apply the same logic for Dembele (or any other player) and teammates who are ignoring him.
1) the answer could be some crazy conspiracy theory (South American connection, they don't like him as a person or who knows what).
2) or the simplest: players play together for several hours every day during rondos and 5 vs 5 matches (or whatever the combination is), and more or less they know: player's good sides, player's bad sides, player's IQ and similar.

I remember one match from 3-4 summers ago when Halilovic debuted for A team during a preseason match, and he was often free at a right flank, but Pique and teammates were ignoring him all the time.
People here wondered why, and whether our players are idiots or maybe they just hate a poor kid.
A few years later, it is quite clear that they were ignoring him because he was dumb as fuck and he would ruin every single action with solo action because he doesn't have any IQ.

Regarding Dembele, anyone who watched Barca during the last 2 years knows that:
1. Dembele has a huge talent
2. he can do some things which no one else can
3. but also he has lots of flaws, struggles in some basics
4. his IQ is still questionable
5. and Semedo and Dembele are probably two players with least connections and sync with other teammates (Coutinho comes close also)

So, when you pair Dembele's low-ish IQ, how even on his good days he doesn't look like fitting our system too well and add some injuries and how he is rusty and easily losing balls currenty...
= is it that crazy to guess that teammates were ignoring him because in this moment he is not the best option (again, paired with his IQ and decision's making, since our teammates are familiar with his decision making abilities?)

** Iirc, there were similar questions regarding Semedo in the past: why are teammates ignoring him when he is in good positions etc?
Well, because they see him on training grounds every day and teammates probably figured out that he is a lost cause in attack and that he totally lacks confidence and that he will just pass the ball backwards in almost every action.
So why bother and passing the ball to him?

Anyway, the simplest solution won't be the correct answer in EVERY single case.
But you can play a number's game and have more faith in numbers and the most simplest (and logical) solutions.

So: if someone is benched all the time, there is usually a reason.
If some player is a starter all the time, even though he sucks currently, there is a strong reason behind that. (Remember the posts: why is Suarez playing, he sucks! Why is Pique playing, anyone could play better than him! Well, they returned to their form later in a season, didn't they, and we are on a verge of a treble BECAUSE a stupid coach actually had faith in them when they played bad.)
If someone is ignored or looked for all the time (Messi) on the pitch, there is usually a strong reason for that.
 
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Messigician

Senior Member
Regarding Dembele and how teammates are ignoring him...
Maybe some guys here should stop to post crazy conspiracy theories and crazy alibies and just go with Occam's razor principle in similar cases in the future.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor



So, for example, if a player doesn't play too often (let's say Malcom).
1. the most likely explanation is: he doesn't play because he is meh
2. other, more crazy explanations are: he slept with EV's wife or EV is mad at the board for not buying Willian and a poor guy Malcom is suffering

On larger samples, you guys will realize that probably in 80-90% of cases, the most simple and the most logical explanation will turn out to be a correct answer.

The same is with: if a player doesn't play under 3-4 different coaches in a row (but fans rate him highly). Well, he usually doesn't play because he sucks, not because ALL coaches hate him for some reason.
The same, if a player (for whom fans think that he sucks, let's say Rakitic) is playing as a starter under several different coaches, there is usually a strong reason for that.
Again, it is NOT because he has EV's nudes or something.

Now, apply the same logic for Dembele (or any other player) and teammates who are ignoring him.
1) the answer could be some crazy conspiracy theory (South American connection, they don't like him as a person or who knows what).
2) or the simplest: players play together for several hours every day during rondos and 5 vs 5 matches (or whatever the combination is), and more or less they know: player's good sides, player's bad sides, player's IQ and similar.

I remember one match from 3-4 summers ago when Halilovic debuted for A team during a preseason match, and he was often free at a right flank, but Pique and teammates were ignoring him all the time.
People here wondered why, and whether our players are idiots or maybe they just hate a poor kid.
A few years later, it is quite clear that they were ignoring him because he was dumb as fuck and he would ruin every single action with solo action because he doesn't have any IQ.

Regarding Dembele, anyone who watched Barca during the last 2 years knows that:
1. Dembele has a huge talent
2. he can do some things which no one else can
3. but also he has lots of flaws, struggles in some basics
4. his IQ is still questionable
5. and Semedo and Dembele are probably two players with least connections and sync with other teammates (Coutinho comes close also)

So, when you pair Dembele's low-ish IQ, how even on his good days he doesn't look like fitting our system too well and add some injuries and how he is rusty and easily losing balls currenty...
= is it that crazy to guess that teammates were ignoring him because in this moment he is not the best option (again, paired with his IQ and decision's making, since our teammates are familiar with his decision making abilities?)

** Iirc, there were similar questions regarding Semedo in the past: why are teammates ignoring him when he is in good positions etc?
Well, because they see him on training grounds every day and teammates probably figured out that he is a lost cause in attack and that he totally lacks confidence and that he will just pass the ball backwards in almost every action.
So why bother and passing the ball to him?

Anyway, the simplest solution won't be the correct answer in EVERY single case.
But you can play a number's game and have more faith in numbers and the most simplest (and logical) solutions.

So: if someone is benched all the time, there is usually a reason.
If some player is a starter all the time, even though he sucks currently, there is a strong reason behind that. (Remember the posts: why is Suarez playing, he sucks! Why is Pique playing, anyone could play better than him! Well, they returned to their form later in a season, didn't they, and we are on a verge of a treble BECAUSE a stupid coach actually had faith in them when they played bad.)
If someone is ignored or looked for all the time (Messi) on the pitch, there is usually a strong reason for that.

Top quality post
 

ronniecro

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People writing him off after getting injured constantly and never getting into rhythm properly, lol. He is one proper season away from being top 5 wingers of the world. Doubters.

i'm not writing him off cause of this but i also completely understand those who do
 
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