11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

[xXKonan]

Visions can be accumulated through the power of intuition. It can be much stronger than rationalization at times as it is the belief in an inner intelligence acquired through the subconscious and maybe past lives (who am I to say it is not the case) .. believe in your inner voice and let this stray dog loose

Nah you were never "A visionary" you were a BBZ like poster who loved to shit on any player/coach who had any resemblance of fitting in the old Barca system.

Funny how we achieve quite a bit of success with that model and Valverde's shitty anti-football philosophy died when it mattered the most.

 

[kattanib]

Nah you were never "A visionary" you were a BBZ like poster who loved to shit on any player/coach who had any resemblance of fitting in the old Barca system.

Funny how we achieve quite a bit of success with that model and Valverde's shitty anti-football philosophy died when it mattered the most.

Not really, our system of control and triangle based progressive attacking to me on a personal level is way more fun than actually scoring and winning in the boring balls-lacking style of EV. If anything, fuck EV lol.

That being said, we actually have a tremendous team if we we sign Griezman. Busquets, Raki and Suarez are absolutely effective next year if coupled with complementing team members.

Griezman Suarez Messi

De Jong/Arthur Busquets Raki

Alba Umtiti/Leglet Pique Roberto

Stegen



Our real issue last season imo is the misfit of playing Suarez and Coutinho together at forward (two slow players) and having unfit incompetent Dembele as an alternative to Coutinho. Griezman will solve this and De Jong might add a bit of movement as well in midfield that will balance Raki and Busquets expertises and slow movement

 

[Respekt_III]

You've mistaken the word delusional with visionary. Easy mistake to make.

 

[kattanib]

You've mistaken the word delusional with visionary. Easy mistake to make.

It is a matter of perception, depends from which angle you look at it. Take any war as an example, each side usually perceive the other to be the enemy and the wrong doers. Who is to say who is right? A visionary is a successful delusional as is a delusional an unsuccessful visionary.

 

[Respekt_III]

That's not necessarily true is it? Do you think the Germans saw themselves as the good guys or had some warped perception of genetic superiority driving their campaigns. So basically greed (land acquisition) etc had more to do with it.

It's the same reason the US seems to like to bring freedom and democracy to countries rich in natural resources.

 

[kattanib]

That's not necessarily true is it? Do you think the Germans saw themselves as the good guys or had some warped perception of genetic superiority driving their campaigns. So basically greed (land acquisition) etc had more to do with it.

It's the same reason the US seems to like to bring freedom and democracy to countries rich in natural resources.

They probably did see themselves as doing what is needed for those they care about, end justifies the mean sort of mindset. No person would make any action unless the perceived benefit would out weight perceived loss at the moment of decision making

 

[Potroh]

...he seems to lack technique be it dribbling or shooting...

Dembele lacks technique???
Wow, great. Ii seems you are a such a great observer that I seriously doubt you can successfully distinguish a lion from an octopus...

 

[kattanib]

Dembele lacks technique???
Wow, great. Ii seems you are a such a great observer that I seriously doubt you can successfully distinguish a lion from an octopus...

Here is a lion for you

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[Judoman]

It is a matter of perception, depends from which angle you look at it. Take any war as an example, each side usually perceive the other to be the enemy and the wrong doers. Who is to say who is right? A visionary is a successful delusional as is a delusional an unsuccessful visionary.

You might just take the title for the most nonsensical post of the year. Congrats.

 

[kattanib]

You might just take the title for the most nonsensical post of the year. Congrats.

A narcissist would qualify as someone who doesn’t comprehend the concept of perception and opinion, for there is only one opinion in the narcissist mind and none else is true

 

[Potroh]

Here is a lion for you

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Gorgeous example...
If two unsuccessful moves would really and generally determine a footballer (in a comic, out of football situation), then could a single FALSE NOTE also determine the best musicians of the world???
Or the is the "best actor on the stage" the star-actor who never ever makes a mistake when he has to pronounce a heavy word in a strange context?

You should rather read those reports that for many months have been seen here and there, namely that how the Barca PLAYERS were amazed by the skills and technique of Dembele in training...

 

[Tekkers]

Gorgeous example...
If two unsuccessful moves would really and generally determine a footballer (in a comic, out of football situation), then could a single FALSE NOTE also determine the best musicians of the world???
Or the is the "best actor on the stage" the star-actor who never ever makes a mistake when he has to pronounce a heavy word in a strange context?

You should rather read those reports that for many months have been seen here and there, namely that how the Barca PLAYERS were amazed by the skills and technique of Dembele in training...

damn... i dont think he responds back to this. but i guess he got laughs off with that troll post

 

[MTL_Barca]

Reminds me of the meltdown on twitter when Paulinho failed at juggling the ball at his presentation

 

[Laplacian]

Gorgeous example...
If two unsuccessful moves would really and generally determine a footballer (in a comic, out of football situation), then could a single FALSE NOTE also determine the best musicians of the world???
Or the is the "best actor on the stage" the star-actor who never ever makes a mistake when he has to pronounce a heavy word in a strange context?

You should rather read those reports that for many months have been seen here and there, namely that how the Barca PLAYERS were amazed by the skills and technique of Dembele in training...

Right, you don't judge a musician based on missed notes, but when a musician get 40% of a piece of music wrong ALL THE TIME REGARDLESS OF THE DIFFICULTY then yeah that's where the harsh judgments should come in.

You're being dishonest if you think those are the only moments Dembele has suffered with displays of poor technique, he does it on a regular basis! Are you forgetting how he STILL struggles with controlling the ball in tight areas? Are you forgetting that in sequences of short passing he constantly fumbles the balll, his body is either incorrectly positioned or his first touch was too heavy thus making him need a second longer than every other player in the squad to control it? Do we forget that SHIELDING THE BALL, a fundamental skill in football, is something he lacks? Do you forget that he constantly scuffs shots all the time?

Look at his goal attempts against Sevilla in the copa del rey, including his goals. Look at his goals in the beginning the of the season. Really, only about 6 or so of the goals he scored were a display of great finishing technique.

Why is it that he doesn't exhibit close control dribbling like other talented wingers display? I'm not even talking about Hazard or Messi level dribblers. I'm not even talking about Sancho level talents. I see talents in lower leagues like PSV's Steven or Gremio's Everton display better close control dribbling. Why does he struggle with footwork? The rare amount of times he attempts tricks they look awkward, can you seriously look at his cruyff turns and fake shots with confidence?

He has the most chaotic and inconsistent technique among "top level" talents I've ever seen. It's just bewildering to me that people claim otherwise, that in fact he's the greatest young technical winger in the Europe. EVERYTHING he does looks fucking awkward. He injured his foot doing a cruyff turn ffs.

THESE ARE technical wingers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltTsOkwYeC0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJYNSuRyjIs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZevB1ir0mo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZevB1ir0mo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JmIdEqGY-g

Give me 10 instances, JUST 10. Of Ousmane Dembele confidently controlling a short pass and proceeding to dribble with it CLOSE CONTROL, as shown in the videos. He doesn't even have to have end product. JUST 10. In his Barcelona shirt.

JUST 10.

I can only think of one occurrence the entire season, it was against a yellow kit team where he proceeded to dribble 2 or 3 players with his skill, control, and drop of shoulder.

I don't know how anyone who can consider this:

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or this

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or this

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As a technical player, honestly I'm dumbfounded. Even his goal against PSV, his turn looked awkward as fuck (look how he fumbled with his first touch, again) - everything after that was beautiful though.

 

[Laplacian]

Dembele at best is an autopilot donkey. He can be stressfully useful in certain occasions but never a worthy superstar. The reason being he lacks good decision making, he seems to lack character, he seems to lack technique be it dribbling or shooting and his body is the exact opposite of a grounded in control dribbler like Messi and Tevez (his lower body is proportionally long compared to his upper body). I have highlighted how this guy is an utter failure for his price tag a year and a half ago and was bashed. Its ok. I am a visionary and it is naive to expect the majority of you to be the same

Too right. He's mostly isolated from build up play. The pro-Dembele faction claims that other players don't like Dembele or rather there's a "veteran clique" in Barcelona. I say Dembele's tactical understanding is quite lacking, leading him to be in poor positions relative to the current build up leading the others to take the better choices. He struggles with quick short passing, in a team whose playstyle is based off quick short passing (or used to be). He struggles with controlling the ball in tight areas. He struggles with first touches in tight areas. He has poor spatial awareness, often not being aware of an incoming press leading him not to position his body to shield the ball - making him an easy target for dispossession. His decision making is very poor, often when he has the time and/or space he makes the worst decisions; it's when he's on autopilot that he seems to make his best plays. Unfortunately that "autopilot mode" comes way too infrequently.

His dribbling is a bit weird. His dribbling is based on his absurd acceleration, his ambidexterity, and his decent balance in high speeds; leading him to easily swift side to side when he's on his stride (accelerating with the ball) quite easily - it's unpredictable for defenders. He however doesn't possess a control over his center of gravity like shorter players do, nor does he have the agility and footwork of "tall" wingers like Neymar, Sancho, Sané, Cr7, and so on. His footwork, his ability to drop his shoulder, and sense of balance while not in stride are laughably poor. It's a prime reason why he's terrible in tight spaces, because tight spaces negate what makes his dribbling so impressive. It's also why when he's stationary, he's a remarkably poor dribbler that struggles on 1 vs 1s. Despite having such an unbalanced skillset for dribbling, his is still enough to put him among Europe's elite (who else can dribble 10 times in a single match? Not a lot of players). However in a team like Barcelona, tight spaces matter; not high speed of play where his dribbling strength lies in.

I saw some creativity and playmaking in Dortmund, but here it's non-existent. I can count two or so games from this season where he displayed at the very least decent playmaking abilities.

His finishing is another weird area. I actually think he has an insane technique for finishing. The PSV, Spur, Sevilla, Villarreal, Celta Vigo, and Espanyol goals from this and last season are clear examples of elite technique in finishing. I just don't think however, that he has the tools to utilise his inherent technique. Whether it's composure, peripheral vision to check goalkeeper's position, creativity, and decision making - he's so lacking in these areas that it leads him to make some atrocious attempts, the Liverpool misses are prime examples of it. Statistically he overperformed this season/was lucky: just look at the Sevilla brace, the several games streak where he got goals of deflections and scuff shots in the beginning of the season are examples of goals that inflated his stats. He scored about 8 "real" goals this season: real goals being goals based on solid movement and confident finishing.

Overall I just don't think he's fit for the club. You can say he's young and he can improve, but considering he plays the same way he did since his debut...I'm confident this is the player he's going to be. A solid 10-12~ goals winger, some runs of very good games, but also a lot of mediocrity and inconsistency during the season. Paying 140m euros and being a symbol of the "Post Messi era", I at the very least expect a Hazard level talent.