11 - Ousmane Dembélé - V1

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Alik

Alik

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BBZ8800 said:
Seriously again, I know that probably 90% of our fans expect big things from Dembele, but objectively:
1. his last season was poor to average It was average to good imo.
2. he doesn't suit our style What style are you talking about? Your style? Valverde's style?
3. EV doesn't like him/what he brings to a team Agreed.
4. the board bought a similar player (Malcom), which raises some doubts Agreed
5. EV wanted Willian for his position, which raises some doubts Redundant
6. the board brought Arthur Irrelevant.
7. EV brought Vidal Relevant if it causes us to play 4-4-2 more often.
8. Rafinha is here If he stays, yeah, they're competitors. But Rafinha is an inferior, injury-prone, with a not so successful past in the team himself.
9. his other competitors had a good preseason Agreed.
10. he is in McDonalds currently probably Not objective. That's you hating on him.
11. the press (Sport) started to hate him and they will continue it if he will play average True, it has an impact.
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My comments on your points.
 
jairzinho

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Nice Bio on Ousmane.
Guy's super chill.
I think he'll surprise alot of people this season.
He has a point to prove.
LOL @BBZ
 
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Garrus

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BBZ8800 said:
Technically, Malcom can't replace him since Dembele is a benchwarmer currently :valverde2:

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Now, seriously, compared to last season, we now have 4+1 new players aiming for his position (or who's playing time could affect his position and playing time):
1. Malcom a winger in 433, or a Rm in 442
2. Vidal, cm in 433, moving Coutinho to wing, or a Cm (right) or Rm in 442, meaning we would play without Dembele in 442
3. Rafinha as a Rm in 442 and a Rw in 433
4. Arthur, the same story as with Vidal (Vidal/Rakitic/Rafinha/Roberto as RMs)
5. if Semedo will play good as a Rb, that could mean more minutes for Roberto as a Cm, which is the same as Arthur's and Vidal's story, or even Roberto playing as a RM in 442 with Semedo as a RB

Dembele's current position is way weaker than in the last season.
1. Malcom had a good preseason
2. Rafinha had a good preseason
3. Arthur had a good preseason
4. Semedo/Roberto had a good preseason
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Have you actually ever watched dembele at rennes or even Dortmund?
He played almost the same amount on the left as he did on the right, And as CAM in multiple occasions, In fact, He’s the only player in the world that I can currently think of, Who plays with the same quality on opposite sides of the pitch.

Half of his assists at Dortmund came by him as a LW


Another video showing half of his impressive runs came from the left in Dortmund:


The same thing at Rennes:


The player least likely, To ever be hurt by an overcrowded side of a pitch, Is dembele, Because he’s as versatile as a player can ever get.
 
DonAK

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I'm excited for this season.

Dembele and Vidal got a point to prove to all the naysayers. Valverde is reportedly thinking about a change of system. We'll have Coutinho in the CL. Arthur looks like a good signing who is very young and can improve a lot. Malcom looks like a great signing.

We also have Alena who will be back in September/October and Lenglet will give competition to Pique.

Just need to sell all the players we don't need now.
 
FCBfan22

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Sport lowkey wanking over the thought that he is back early because he'll be sold...

:rofl1:

The amount of shit that Sport shoveled this summer is incredible.
 
BBZ8800

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Garrus said:
The player least likely, To ever be hurt by an overcrowded side of a pitch, Is dembele, Because he’s as versatile as a player can ever get.
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Number of good midfielders&attackers at Rennes: 1
Who is a key player: Dembele

Number of good midfielders&attackers at Borussia: a few
Who is a key player: Dembele

Number of good midfielders&attackers at Barca: 10-15
Who is a key player: Messi

Malcom came from a Bordeaux, where he was a key and the best player.
Arthur came from Santos where he was a key and the best player.
Dembele came from Rennes and Dortmund, where he was a key player.

Some people would say: but, Dembele was awesome at Rennes/Dortmund when he was a key player.
If we turn him into a key player here, maybe he would play equally as good.
Fair idea.

But what about others then?
Should Messi lose a key player place?
What about Coutinho? etc

Also, both Rennes and Borussia played more direct football with more space to counter.

Further, Dembele can't play in the middle for Barca since we have Messi in the middle and Suarez, the only true attacker on a world class level in our team (besides Messi, who is not a Cf anymore).
Dembele can't play on the left since Coutinho will play as a LM in 442, or even as a LW in 433.
So, the only way for Dembele to play is:
1. injuries
2. or a Rw in 433 or Rm in 442

Then, go back to my post, since the last season, what other "movements" in a team we had which could influence a Rm/Rw position:
442:
1. Malcom as a direct competitor. He wasn't here last season. Dembele's competitors were Alex Vidal, Gomes, Paulinho, Roberto
2. Arthur. As explained, if we'll play 442 with 4 true Cms, then we'll play: Coutinho, Busi, Rakitic, Vidal/Arthur. So, no place for Dembele in the starting lineup. And 5 Cms fighting for 4 spots.
3. Vidal, the same story: Cou, Busi, Raki, Arthur/Vidal. No Dembele. Arthur and Vidal weren't here last season.
4. Roberto as a Rm, if Semedo will play good as a Rb, like in a preseason. That means either as Roberto one of 6 Cms choices (Busi, Cou, Raki, Vidal, Arthur, Roberto) in a 442 flat with 4 true Cms, or Roberto as a Rm in 442.
5. Rafinha, as a Rm in 442, who wasn't here last season, and who played very good in a preseason.

For 433:
1. there is a chance that EV will play Cou-Luis-Messi, and Arthur/Vidal/Rakitic, insert 2 out of 3 plus Busi as midfielders, with Malcom and Dembele entering later.
Arthur, Vidal weren't here last season. Those two could play as starters in 433, which means moving Coutinho to a Lw (as Sport suggested) with Dembele and Malcom on the bench.
2. Roberto as a midfielder. The same story. if he plays in the middle, Cou will be moved to Lw, since we'll have: Busi, Raki, Vidal, Arthur, Roberto and Rafinha in the middle.
3. Rafinha as a midfielder in 433 or even Rw. He wasn't here last season.
4. Malcom as his direct competitor for a Rw spot in 433. Malcom wasn't here last season. And Malcom played preseason matches.

Like it or hate it, objectively, Dembele had way less competition in April/May of 2018 than today.
Remember, Dembele didn't play in CL match against Roma nor in CDR final, in 2 most important matches in April/May.
He did start to play league matches once when La Liga was won, when there was no pressure anymore.
And even if we assume that he was a starter then, since then we bought: Vidal, Arthur, Malcom, Rafinha (Roberto as a midfielder) who will all influence lineups in 442 and 433 and Dembele's minutes.
 
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