Horatio
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Still a clear pen Horatio.
Owh look who decided to show up because one person posted in their favour.
11 - Raphinha
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Owh look who decided to show up because one person posted in their favour.
BusiTheKing
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Most pointless discussion this... but are you suggesting that he's standing still or what? Think you need to take a look at that again mate. His body is travelling. That means he's got momentum. He cuts inside, follows the ball, sees the defender shift his wheight. Then he cuts it outside. The ball has changed direction but his body hasn't. That means he needs to plant laterally to push off at an angle. If he doesn't plant laterally then he continues to travel inside while the ball travels outside. Feel a bit silly writing this, come on man.
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He doesn't follow the ball. That's what I have been stating repeatedly. He plays the ball along the side of the defender but he decided to take one more step inwards, unnecessarily to look for the penalty. Yes the defender stuck his leg out slightly. But if Raphina had followed the ball immediately after having played it, the defender's foot would not be in his path.
it's you who brought up momentum as the explanation why he is taking a step in that direction. and why it is natural. And I am saying there is not enough momentum for that to be the case.
Pause at 00:06 and 00:07. Nothing natural about it. Look at Raphina's positioning in accordance to where the ball was played and its trajectory. Raphina is taking long way around to go after the ball on purpose to get closer into the area of the defender and hope for penalty. You are saying that extra step was natural cause he was running. I am saying it is not and he was not.
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BusiTheKing
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I think you need to look up Newton's third law mate. Or maybe stop trying to judge what is or isn't a natural movement from a paused video.
https://streamable.com/j7jkbc
Look at Messi's move there. He leans right for the body feint, then changes momentum sharply to the left. In order to do that he needs to take a lateral step to the right. By your account, what Messi is doing is trying to get closer to Scott Brown's tackle in order to draw a foul.
Horatio
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What do I need to look up laws for? I can replicate that movement 100/100 times instead of taking deeper step because of so called momentum after taking two steps into new direction after making turn at 00:04. Lose some weight dawg.
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BusiTheKing
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And I'm saying you've obviously never played football. How does that leave us? Two idiots who've never touched a football spending their tuesday afternoon arguing physics.
You're saying he could have taking a step where he took the touch, I'm saying that wouldn't get him the adequate leverage. Feel like that's as far as we can go lol.
Horatio
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Dude look at 00:04. Raphina turns there makes two steps into new direction.
I think the way raphina falls makes the angles a bit tricky, but confident there was space for him to move with ball alongside player and barely momentum to justify him moving like that.
Anyway enjoy your day. We'll disagree on this one.
Anyone else I welcome to chime in, except for Serghei. I am happy to hear others opinions.
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feggydinho
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Penalty laws has to be clear, but for me the Celta guy stretched his leg too far and never got the ball leaving Raphinha with no place to go, so Raphinha probably tries to make contact but I think it's a penalty cause the defender knows what he was doing
serghei
Senior Member
Obvious obstruction. Defender goes for the feint, sticks his leg out blocking direct path to the ball of Raphinha.
Doesn't have to be too much contact.
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Co0ter
Senior Member
It was a penalty. A defender can't plant his leg directly in the direction you are running and expect you to slow down and run around it? Ruining your opportunity? No, you run into it and expect a foul. Raphinha was terrible at selling it, but it's still a clear penalty.
Some severe lack of logic here. Let me stick my leg in your path, and if you run into it trying to get to the ball, it's your fault.
That's some good stuff. Man, defending is so easy. I should of became a professional defender.
Some severe lack of logic here. Let me stick my leg in your path, and if you run into it trying to get to the ball, it's your fault.
That's some good stuff. Man, defending is so easy. I should of became a professional defender.
Iniesta Ultra
Senior Member
The way Raph softened the contact shows he could've easily cleared the leg and continued on his feet. To sell that as an undeniable penalty he needed to take the contact directly and go down. I agree with the ref.
feggydinho
Senior Member
Check again, the defender placed his leg in Raphinha's path first, he then swung his hip towards Raphinha so he won't be able to pass and once he noticed Raphinha falling, he swung his hip backwards to act like he was taking himself out of the way so he clearly knew what he was doing and wasn't going for the ball anymore. Penalty for me, but defender successfully deceived the ref
Messi983
Senior Member
Would clearly be a pen on the other side of the pitch.
Just think we won't get many penalties this season in critical moments/close games but will probably get a few when we won't really need them being up by 2 or 3 goals (that probably won't happen often with how we're currently playing though) to balance things out.
Just think we won't get many penalties this season in critical moments/close games but will probably get a few when we won't really need them being up by 2 or 3 goals (that probably won't happen often with how we're currently playing though) to balance things out.
Barcilliant
Senior Member
He is suited to a much more direct style of football. I really wonder why Xavi wanted him.
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