14 - Javier Mascherano

[JamDav1982]

We didn't defend good generally like a team,Mascherano would be even more useless cause Bayern and obviously Real PSG are physical sides so he wouldn't help at all in aerial problems.Its not excuse of saying that Pique-Bartra is better,but you can't certainly call him the best defender of the squad from the moment there isn't any serious comparing with Pique,Puyol,Bartra.

You are completely wrong.

His reading of the game would have helped massively against those teams on the break.

Unreal.

Better defender, perhaps. Better CB, nope.

You have a completely inaccurate view of Mascherano's play as a CB for this team.

This time last year people on here were talking as Masch and Messi being the top performers in the team after Messi and the season before Pep was gushing about his performances at CB.

I understand perfectly well his role in this team thanks.

This time last year people on here were talking as Masch and Messi being the top performers in the team after Messi and the season before Pep was gushing about his performances at CB.

I understand perfectly well his role in this team thanks.

Busquets not Messi.

 

[Meitux]

You are completely wrong.

His reading of the game would have helped massively against those teams on the break.

Unreal.

What are you talking about?How many times we saw a counter attack and he made a wrong decision with the result of making a tackle and commiting a foul?

You are the unreal one that you bring whatever excuse you find to support your opinion..

 

[mixer]

Mascherano is our best available cb, but he's still bad. His tackling is awesome but his "positioning" and aerial abilities are less than mediocre...

 

[JamDav1982]

What are you talking about?How many times we saw a counter attack and he made a wrong decision with the result of making a tackle and commiting a foul?

You are the unreal one that you bring whatever excuse you find to support your opinion..

He recovers more balls than any other player for Barcelona and is the best at reading the game to cover for others by a long way.

 

[Meitux]

He recovers more balls than any other player for Barcelona and is the best at reading the game to cover for others by a long way.

He has performed and did mostly of those against the mediocre La liga teams that have nothing to do with a team like Bayern,you think he can handle a player like Ribery or Muller or anybody of them?In the most important situation he doesn't he cracks.He would go for the player and either they would dribble him or him fouling them

And as i told there isn't any real comparison to say if hes better than others or not that moment..

 

[Sumlit]

This time last year people on here were talking as Masch and Messi being the top performers in the team after Messi and the season before Pep was gushing about his performances at CB.

I understand perfectly well his role in this team thanks.

I'm sorry friend, but your comments lead me to believe you have no concept on how to rate CBs.

Mascherano does not know how to play CB. He is a very very good defensive midfielder, hence why he can make a serviceable job at CB, and hence why people are tricked into believing he is doing a great job at CB when he makes all those diving tackles.

He plays the CB position as he were playing just a deeper defensive midfielder role. He takes too many risk because he has the mentality and game of a DM.

 

[JamDav1982]

He has performed and did mostly of those against the mediocre La liga teams that have nothing to do with a team like Bayern,you think he can handle a player like Ribery or Muller?In the most important situation he doesn't he cracks.

And as i told there isn't any real comparison to say if hes better than others or not that moment..

No he doesnt 'crack'.

Again you are making general sweeping statements based on 2/3 mistakes and ignoring all the things he brings to the table.

This time last year as I said many people on here were saying he was the best player after Messi and I am sure he was voted as one of the top performers.

He was also nominated as one of the top defenders in La Liga.

Luckily people appreciate and realise how good he has been.

 

[JamDav1982]

I'm sorry friend, but your comments lead me to believe you have no concept on how to rate CBs.

Mascherano does not know how to play CB. He is a very very good defensive midfielder, hence why he can make a serviceable job at CB, and hence why people are tricked into believing he is doing a great job at CB when he makes all those diving tackles.

He plays the CB position as he were playing just a deeper defensive midfielder role. He takes too many risk because he has the mentality and game of a DM.

I am sorry my friend but I am talking about playing center back for Barcelona and that is always going to be one CB a mix of a DM and CB rather than two pure defenders.

Hell Masch even managed to trick Pep and those on here who considered him one of the top players in the team these last few seasons and those who voted him one of best CB's in La Liga.

I dont think you have too much of an idea mate.

 

[Meitux]

No he doesnt 'crack'.

Again you are making general sweeping statements based on 2/3 mistakes and ignoring all the things he brings to the table.

This time last year as I said many people on here were saying he was the best player after Messi and I am sure he was voted as one of the top performers.

He was also nominated as one of the top defenders in La Liga.

Luckily people appreciate and realise how good he has been.

They said that because he performed in La liga against the mediocre teams as i told you,not that he helped the team defensively in big games or in the champions leauge.Those 3 mistakes and they aren't 3 at all refer that we can't rely on him if he can't perform in big games really how can you be called good,and im not talking about only goals that were his mistake,but generally how our defence looked with him in it and how many chances the opponents created.

And its not only about big games,he may had a good performance at a game in La liga but in the main time he had made a mistake and we conceded a goal.You know sometimes even one goal can be proved costly,but then again its La liga right?Who cares,we score 4 goals on them..But in important matches thats not the right thought.

 

[JamDav1982]

They said that because he performed in La liga against the mediocre teams as i told you,not that he helped the team defensively in big games or in the champions leauge.Those 3 mistakes and they aren't 3 at all refer that we can't rely on him if he can't perform in big games really how can you be called good,and im not talking about only goals that were his mistake,but generally how our defence looked with him in it and how many chances the opponents created.

And its not only about big games,he may had a good performance at a game in La liga but in the main time he had made a mistake and we conceded a goal.You know sometimes even one goal can be proved costly,but then again its La liga right?Who cares,we score 4 goals on them..But in important matches thats not the righ thought.

He has been brilliant in many big games and being voted as one of the top players hugely takes into account how you play in Classicos.

You keep repeating this point of 2/3 mistakes made and using to generalise.

Please out line all these mistakes in La Liga..... or just generalising again?

 

[Sumlit]

I am sorry my friend but I am talking about playing center back for Barcelona and that is always going to be one CB a mix of a DM and CB rather than two pure defenders.

Hell Masch even managed to trick Pep and those on here who considered him one of the top players in the team these last few seasons and those who voted him one of best CB's in La Liga.

I dont think you have too much of an idea mate.

Once again you show you're lack of understanding. Playing CB for Barca is not a mix of DM and CB. The only other extra qualities Barca require from their CB is speed to play the high line, and comfort on the ball to allow the CB to participate in the passing. Aside from that, yes, Barcelona need their CB to be just pure CBs, or at least have good pure CB skills.

Now again, I need to clarify this because you continue to interchange the words. Defender and CB are two different things. You can qualify Dani Alves as a defender, however not as a CB.

Mascherano is a very very good defender because he is a very very good center defensive midfielder. However Mascherano is not a good center back defender, he is merely serviceable on account of him still having good defensive skills.

If you're only arguments are "well Pep thought so" and "well he was rated in this forum as one of our best players", then that continues to give ammo to my assumptions of your lack of understanding.

 

[Meitux]

He has been brilliant in many big games and being voted as one of the top players hugely takes into account how you play in Classicos.

You keep repeating this point of 2/3 mistakes made and using to generalise.

Please out line all these mistakes in La Liga..... or just generalising again?

What generalise,we all have seen the games.But its you that says that im wrong that im wrong.Explain why the most people around here believe he is a bad defender.

Or maybe you always have something to say in order for you to believe that you are the most correct around here?

 

[JamDav1982]

Once again you show you're lack of understanding. Playing CB for Barca is not a mix of DM and CB. The only other extra qualities Barca require from their CB is speed to play the high line, and comfort on the ball to allow the CB to participate in the passing. Aside from that, yes, Barcelona need their CB to be just pure CBs, or at least have good pure CB skills.

Now again, I need to clarify this because you continue to interchange the words. Defender and CB are two different things. You can qualify Dani Alves as a defender, however not as a CB.

Mascherano is a very very good defender because he is a very very good center defensive midfielder. However Mascherano is not a good center back defender, he is merely serviceable on account of him still having good defensive skills.

If you're only arguments are "well Pep thought so" and "well he was rated in this forum as one of our best players", then that continues to give ammo to my assumptions of your lack of understanding.

You are completely wrong and Barca play with one CB given the role to step into midfield and win ball early and also step out into midfield with the ball.

Pep knew the system and raved about Masch in there.

He knew the system, you clearly dont. Move on.

 

[Sumlit]

You are completely wrong and Barca play with one CB given the role to step into midfield and win ball early and also step out into midfield with the ball.

Pep knew the system and raved about Masch in there.

He knew the system, you clearly dont. Move on.

Good troll is good. I will move on though. Arguing against a wall of bricks would be more productive than arguing with you.

 

[JamDav1982]

What generalise,we all have seen the games.But its you that says that im wrong that im wrong.Explain why the most people around here believe he is a bad defender.

Or maybe you always have something to say in order for you to believe that you are the most correct around here?

I believe I am correct and so do you thats the basis of the discussion.

Read back through comments. Most rave about him as a defender and this time last year some were even calling him up there with the best in the world and second in performances only to Messi.

He has been good in vastly more big games than he has cost goals in.