2021 Ballon d'Or
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FinBarcelonafan
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When you put it like this it's pretty clear who is the winner! Messi hands down.
Bobo32
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Busquets would have made sense in a way, if it wasn't for Messi being so obviously GOAT every year, so much more spectacular and obviously better than anyone else.
But Busquets was the best midfielder/defensive midfielder a lot of the years, it isn't a position that usually wins the price, but he was and is one of the very best players of the world.
Jorginho is ridiculous, he wouldn't be in the top 50 of anyones list if Italy and Chelsea lost even the finals marginally, nevermind went out in the QF or something due to another players mistake. I don't think the price should be about "who in the teams that happened to win stood out the most" or "who happened to be in a few teams that won some big trophies" but "who played the best football over the year"
But Busquets was the best midfielder/defensive midfielder a lot of the years, it isn't a position that usually wins the price, but he was and is one of the very best players of the world.
Jorginho is ridiculous, he wouldn't be in the top 50 of anyones list if Italy and Chelsea lost even the finals marginally, nevermind went out in the QF or something due to another players mistake. I don't think the price should be about "who in the teams that happened to win stood out the most" or "who happened to be in a few teams that won some big trophies" but "who played the best football over the year"
Jorginho is not even the best in the Chelsea midfield !
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malvolio
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Not the best in Italy's midfield either.
The guy happened to be there and suddenly he's a nominee. Laughable if he even makes the top 10.
Where is this odds? I cant find any odds.
Well he is not even Italian but that is another story
Ballon d'or hasn't been a joke for a long time. 2 of the greatest players of all time have won it every year except one year. The levels of Messi and Ronaldo have been so far above others they've set a different standard that we've got bored of seeing. So when in 2018 Messi scores something like 50 goals and gets 25 assists in 50 games he finishes 5th. Unless that's the reason for saying it's a joke.
Otherwise pretty much deserving winner has won it each year.
Otherwise pretty much deserving winner has won it each year.
Windhook
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There are lots of factors that influence the general football public, or shall I call them trolls, also we see clearly how the media shapes the perspective on any subject, fake news and such.
Messi was the most exciting player in the world back when he had his speed, the Athletic Bilbao goal in 2015 being in my mind the last example of his phenomenal explosive dribbling. Once he slowed down his game it became harder to win neutral ground, because all they care about is the goal tally and trophies won. After 2012 Ballon d'Or (which was Leo's 4th I think compared to 1 CR BdO) something changed and the journalists started to shift to the team performance criteria. The 2013 award for Cristiano was a weird moment, mostly fueled by the stupidity of then FIFA president Sepp Blatter's comments. You can't convince me two hattricks against Sweden in the WC playoffs is enough, Ribery was robbed that year.
Messi was the most exciting player in the world back when he had his speed, the Athletic Bilbao goal in 2015 being in my mind the last example of his phenomenal explosive dribbling. Once he slowed down his game it became harder to win neutral ground, because all they care about is the goal tally and trophies won. After 2012 Ballon d'Or (which was Leo's 4th I think compared to 1 CR BdO) something changed and the journalists started to shift to the team performance criteria. The 2013 award for Cristiano was a weird moment, mostly fueled by the stupidity of then FIFA president Sepp Blatter's comments. You can't convince me two hattricks against Sweden in the WC playoffs is enough, Ribery was robbed that year.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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2013 ronaldo scored 69 goals in that year and was based on individual performance imo the best in the world. Bayern had several important players so i wouldnt say there was an outstanding player. Messi was injured most of the time so he is also out. For me first one was Ronaldo, second one was Robben and third one Ribery. I never understood why people criticises his 2013 ballon dor, 2016 was more unbalanced maybe as he had a good first half, average EUR and a bad second half.
People get used to Messi's level so if he can't do something more, they will think it is just normal. If anyone can perform like Messi, they will be hailed as the world best.
Example is Messi 19/20 with 25 goals and 21 assists in Liga but people think it is normal while Henry with 22 goals and 20 assists in 2002/03 and that is considered his best season ever, ballon dor robbed by Nedved.
Messi sets his own bar.
I remember this. It was right after Blatter called Messi a good boy and Ronaldo a commander. Then all of Ronaldo's fanboys went beserk en FIFA who were still working together with Ballon d'Or extended the deadline just because Ronaldo scored vs Sweden in the play-off. Shameful.
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