21 - Frenkie de Jong

JamDav1982

Senior Member
He was the best midfielder against Napoli

😂

And multiple times v Real Madrid... and in Copa final etc.

Calma.

Casado was being taken off ve likes of Gertafe and Alaves as he was utter garbage.. all while Barca were falling 7 points behind Real and winning 1 game in 8 in league.

But aye you tell Pedri how wrong he is etc... tell him how he absolutely cannot play in a double pivot better than FDJ at the same time like you claimed.
 

Gazzznigga

Well-known member
For instance, I know Cassados worst game was when he gave the goal away vs Athletico in the 2-1 home loss. You will hardly be able to point to many other where he stunk the joint. Cassado can also play with Gavi, Pedri, or anyone else without the quality dropping so much

FdJ has had more stinkers. ( Dortmund, Celta, Betis, etc) more recently.

Overall, encouraged that Barca has many options but it is regretful that the team is only limited to a FdJ who requires help everytime to impose himself.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Barca have been failing to win regularly in the league for months with Casado with Pedri.

The have been winning something like 3 games in last 10 and he has been taken off at HT as shite more than once.

Team improved with FDJ back.

Casado was shocking at home to Alaves, away to Getafe, away to Benfica, away to Atletico etc. Thats just 2025.

Gavi, Casado, Pedri on pitch together was even worse.
 
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Porque

Senior Member
Team was burnt out that stage. Wouldn't pin it on Casado/Pedri or not featuring Frenkie but the systematic failures through exhaustion and lack of press and movement.

Be like saying Barca conceeded 6 in 3 days against Celta and Dortmund coz Frenkie was in at pivot and not Casado fam, and that only games we conceeding 3 or more goals this season were the ones that Casado didn't play in.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Team was burnt out that stage. Wouldn't pin it on Casado/Pedri or not featuring Frenkie but the systematic failures through exhaustion and lack of press and movement.

Be like saying Barca conceeded 6 in 3 days against Celta and Dortmund coz Frenkie was in at pivot and not Casado fam, and that only games we conceeding 3 or more goals this season were the ones that Casado didn't play in.

It is not just that stage.

Pedri and Casado have not played well together this year either really bar the Supercopa.

5 league games together and Casado was off at HT in x2 of them and losing v Atletico when went off... of the other two Real Sociedad were down to 10 early and gave up.

Barca conceded 3 v Benfica in 60 odd minutes with Casado on the pitch and conceded more than once much more often with Casado.
 
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Barcaman

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Staff member
Have a stat for you: We lost 7 matches this season but lost only once with Frankie playing more than 45 mins.

2-1 Monaco - he was out injured
4-2 Osasuna - he was out injured
1-0 Real Sociedad - played 45 mins.
1-2 Las Palmas - played 33 mins.
0-1 Leganes - on the bench, no minutes
1-2 Atletico - on the bench, no minutes
3-1 Borussia - 90 mins.

(Edited: forgot about Dortmund loss but still pretty interesting)
 

Fati_Future_BallonDor

Well-known member
Have a stat for you: We lost 6 matches this season but haven't lost any of those with Frankie playing more than 45 mins.

2-1 Monaco - he was out injured
4-2 Osasuna - he was out injured
1-0 Real Sociedad - played 45 mins.
1-2 Las Palmas - played 33 mins.
0-1 Leganes - on the bench, no minutes
1-2 Atletico - on the bench, no minutes

So Wammy?
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Have a stat for you: We lost 7 matches this season but lost only once with Frankie playing more than 45 mins.

2-1 Monaco - he was out injured
4-2 Osasuna - he was out injured
1-0 Real Sociedad - played 45 mins.
1-2 Las Palmas - played 33 mins.
0-1 Leganes - on the bench, no minutes
1-2 Atletico - on the bench, no minutes
3-1 Borussia - 90 mins.

(Edited: forgot about Dortmund loss but still pretty interesting)

Real Sociedad game he should have had a lucky assist and Barca 1-0 up if La Liga did not manufacture an offside to chop off goal.

That game FDJ started well and Barca dominated while he was playing well.. then went in for a tackle and more or less stopped playing the rest of half and was rightly hooked.
 

M3ls

Well-known member
Cosado has made more 'through' passes in half a year than De Jong has in six years, but JamDav will tell you that De Jong is better at moving the ball through.

 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
He factually hasnt even this season but keep at it.

FDJ dominates him in every progressive stat.

FDJ this season.. more progressing passing yds, more progressive passes, more balls into final third, more balls into box, higher expected assist, more through balls, more progressive carrying yds, more progressive carries, involved in more moves that lead to shots, involved in more moves that lead to goals.

Simples.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Haha... great stats that.

The fact you dont even know and need to be shown says it all.
Will tell you again..

FDJ this season.. more progressing passing yds, more progressive passes, more balls into final third, more balls into box, higher expected assist, more through balls, more progressive carrying yds, more progressive carries, involved in more moves that lead to shots, involved in more moves that lead to goals.
 

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