24 - Thomas Vermaelen

LeeRomeno

Active member
LeeRomeno, stop acting like the sheriff of forum everytime you disagree with some people. I know Barca fans of over 40 years who have astounding views on the club it's hilarious. Having different opinions barely have anything to do with how long you've been a fan of a certain team.

Sheriff of forum would actually mean i have power to do something and for years being a fan have quite a lot to do with your attitude towards the club. Supporters who have been around during Gaspart days for example are much more tolerant and accepting towards bad times in the club as well. I for starters can easily live with seasons without winning trophies, it does not make me freak out, those who have joined after Pep era though are different.
Saying all that, what is most puzzling for me is the fact, that after years of concerns over our defense, in the off-season when we actually get 2 great CBs, people still whine, even without giving them a chance to have a single game. And main reason being that they are not exciting signings or some bigass world-wide stars. This attitude pisses me off.
 

puyolman

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3232 will indeed be a variation but i expect our main formation to remain 433 with some different options playing it
therefore 4 cb's + mascherano is for sure enough
 
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instinct

Guest
Saying all that, what is most puzzling for me is the fact, that after years of concerns over our defense, in the off-season when we actually get 2 great CBs, people still whine, even without giving them a chance to have a single game. And main reason being that they are not exciting signings or some bigass world-wide stars. This attitude pisses me off.

Exactly how I feel.
 

XaviMessiGirl

New member
Define arrogance. And i don't know it, just an educated guess based on my vast experience of Barcelona fans over the years i have enjoyed this club.

Inferring someone is a gloryhunter or other assumptions such as how long someone has been a fan as reasoning for tearing down their opinion makes it sound like you think you're a better fan, which is arrogant. Maybe you don't realize it or you don't try to be, but that's how it comes off. And we want newer fans to feel just as welcome here as people who have been fans for 20+ years, which is why we look down on such comments, whether they're true or not.
 

LeeRomeno

Active member
Signing aging injury-prone defenders whose availability over the season is a huge question mark is not something to be happy about. But this board has lowered culer's expectations to the point that some seem content with whatever. It's a gamble, one if it fails Barca 'll 've to make do with the same no. of CBs as last season. Thats not really an improvement in my book. When a transfer brings more uncertainties than a sense of optimism and security, its not a smart investment.

Besides, the older in athlete years, the longer the recovery period, even worse when that subject has a poor injury record. If we wanted to take the more eco. route, I'd rather the sec CB be someone younger and a more tangible asset.

Okey, so in your world 28 and 30 is aging. In real world, years 28-32 are best years for a defender. They are physically at best shape and have enough experience to avoid stupid mistakes.
Injury prone? Mathieu has been injured exactly 1 week last season and before that his last injury was back in 2011. Vermaelen surely has been, thing is, his injuries only started becoming a thing once he joined Arsenal. That club is known to do something wrong in medical department as their players get injured by far more than average Premier League players.
Signing new players is always a gamble. Remember Dmytro Chygrynskiy? Who would say any CB would do great here? It is always a gamble, at least this time the risks are pretty much down to minimum.
 

xavi_the_Boss

New member
Inferring someone is a gloryhunter or other assumptions such as how long someone has been a fan as reasoning for tearing down their opinion makes it sound like you think you're a better fan, which is arrogant. Maybe you don't realize it or you don't try to be, but that's how it comes off. And we want newer fans to feel just as welcome here as people who have been fans for 20+ years, which is why we look down on such comments, whether they're true or not.

What opinion?
He called him a kid.
 

LeeRomeno

Active member
Inferring someone is a gloryhunter or other assumptions such as how long someone has been a fan as reasoning for tearing down their opinion makes it sound like you think you're a better fan, which is arrogant. Maybe you don't realize it or you don't try to be, but that's how it comes off. And we want newer fans to feel just as welcome here as people who have been fans for 20+ years, which is why we look down on such comments, whether they're true or not.

Lol where on earth have i claimed to be a better fan of the club. My point here is that this is FC Barcelona supporters community. With many people i do not get that much "support", but rather only critique without giving any chance to defend to those who are critiqued.
And although i am sure Barcelona fanbase has grown vastly in numbers and i only appreciate this, i am more concerned that among my friends, Barcelona is no longer concidered a cool club, but a club with arrogant fans and attitude. In short, we have become a second Real Madrid, the special feeling i once had with the club and with catalan culture overall has been diminished to minimum. And every time i read comments where the signing is not exciting, this feeling gets stronger and stronger.
 
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linetty

Guest
Vermaelen, who suffered a thigh injury during the World Cup in June, will have to recover for at least two more weeks. [ara]
 

Chainsaw

Killahead
Sheriff of forum would actually mean i have power to do something and for years being a fan have quite a lot to do with your attitude towards the club. Supporters who have been around during Gaspart days for example are much more tolerant and accepting towards bad times in the club as well. I for starters can easily live with seasons without winning trophies, it does not make me freak out, those who have joined after Pep era though are different.
Saying all that, what is most puzzling for me is the fact, that after years of concerns over our defense, in the off-season when we actually get 2 great CBs, people still whine, even without giving them a chance to have a single game. And main reason being that they are not exciting signings or some bigass world-wide stars. This attitude pisses me off.

Didn't say you "are" the sheriff of forum!

I've been supporting Barca since the dream team. That might have made me see certain things many new fans didn't see, but doesn't mean I have to have the exact same view as you another old fan. You think the Catalan fans who go to Camp Nou booing certain players, even recently going to a new player's presentation chanting "Zubi Out" are any new fans because they do that? No. People have different opinions. It's football after all. Passion plays as much part as logic in this sport. And not everyone gets passionate about the certain players that passionate some other fans. Doesn't say much about how long they've been a fan.

And for the record, being content with anything the club does don't mean you are a true fan. People are worried we get to see the same problems rise again half through the season with the signing of certain players who have a rich history of injuries and yet when ready can't start ahead of a 36 years old defender.
 

spark

New member
Okey, so in your world 28 and 30 is aging. In real world, years 28-32 are best years for a defender. They are physically at best shape and have enough experience to avoid stupid mistakes.
Injury prone? Mathieu has been injured exactly 1 week last season and before that his last injury was back in 2011. Vermaelen surely has been, thing is, his injuries only started becoming a thing once he joined Arsenal. That club is known to do something wrong in medical department as their players get injured by far more than average Premier League players.
Signing new players is always a gamble. Remember Dmytro Chygrynskiy? Who would say any CB would do great here? It is always a gamble, at least this time the risks are pretty much down to minimum.

Mathieu had two spells of chronic tendonitis between May 2012 anf February 2013.
 

Neeraj

Senior Member
Haha must be interesting to see how a player who we already know is injured passes a medical :lol:

STD checks ?:neymar:
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
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XaviMessiGirl

New member
Sheriff of forum would actually mean i have power to do something and for years being a fan have quite a lot to do with your attitude towards the club. Supporters who have been around during Gaspart days for example are much more tolerant and accepting towards bad times in the club as well. I for starters can easily live with seasons without winning trophies, it does not make me freak out, those who have joined after Pep era though are different.
Saying all that, what is most puzzling for me is the fact, that after years of concerns over our defense, in the off-season when we actually get 2 great CBs, people still whine, even without giving them a chance to have a single game. And main reason being that they are not exciting signings or some bigass world-wide stars. This attitude pisses me off.

I'm probably what you'd still call a newer fan (2008) but I don't expect us to win everything all the time. Though I'm also a Liverpool fan and we haven't won a league title in 24 years, so perhaps I'm better prepared for any "dark times". But I'll say that of course everyone wishes their club to be successful, no one wants to settle for dark times or a few years without trophies, just some can react to it more calmly than others.

I've been a pretty vocal opponent against Rosell/Bartomeu/Zubi and this board, whether on this forum or on others. It doesn't mean I expect them to only sign WC players, in fact my gripes with the board have more to do with other issues, with signings being secondary. But I can't bash them for signing these players, again they aren't the ones I'd choose and in an ideal world we would have signed "better" ones, but at least they did some work this transfer window instead of just watching another season go by with a sub-par defense and no depth.


What opinion?
He called him a kid.

jamrock's opinion that he thinks these signings aren't good enough.


Lol where on earth have i claimed to be a better fan of the club. My point here is that this is FC Barcelona supporters community. With many people i do not get that much "support", but rather only critique without giving any chance to defend to those who are critiqued.
And although i am sure Barcelona fanbase has grown vastly in numbers and i only appreciate this, i am more concerned that among my friends, Barcelona is no longer concidered a cool club, but a club with arrogant fans and attitude. In short, we have become a second Real Madrid, the special feeling i once had with the club and with catalan culture overall has been diminished to minimum. And every time i read comments where the signing is not exciting, this feeling gets stronger and stronger.

The bold bit I understand and kind of agree with really. Of course you and I both, nothing can make us stop supporting the club. But at least for me, the way the club is being run at the moment, various allegations (Rosell corruption, Neymar transfer saga, Qatar and sponsorship, etc) means I don't quite have the same passion and pride to be a Barca fan as I did when I first started following the club. I don't like when people find out I'm a Barca fan and think I approve of all those things. But the current board won't be around forever, and hopefully after some time has passed the club can repair its reputation (on a moral level first, then on a trophy-winning level) and we'll see how many fans are still around to see it.
 

LeeRomeno

Active member
Didn't say you "are" the sheriff of forum!

I've been supporting Barca since the dream team. That might have made me see certain things many new fans didn't see, but doesn't mean I have to have the exact same view as you another old fan. You think the Catalan fans who go to Camp Nou booing certain players, even recently going to a new player's presentation chanting "Zubi Out" are any new fans because they do that? No. People have different opinions. It's football after all. Passion plays as much part as logic in this sport. And not everyone gets passionate about the certain players that passionate some other fans. Doesn't say much about how long they've been a fan.

And for the record, being content with anything the club does don't mean you are a true fan. People are worried we get to see the same problems rise again half through the season with the signing of certain players who have a rich history of injuries and yet when ready can't start ahead of a 36 years old defender.

Where did i say that i am content with anything the club does. I just said the opposite, that i don't like what has happened to the club i have for some reason supported since my childhood. What i will never understand though, is not giving players chances to prove themselves and if they are not worth it, then it is time to boo them or do whatever.
 

Bertus

New member
Signing aging injury-prone defenders whose availability over the season is a huge question mark is not something to be happy about. But this board has lowered culer's expectations to the point that some seem content with whatever. It's a gamble, one if it fails Barca 'll 've to make do with the same no. of CBs as last season. Thats not really an improvement in my book. When a transfer brings more uncertainties than a sense of optimism and security, its not a smart investment.

Besides, the older in athlete years, the longer the recovery period, even worse when that subject has a poor injury record. If we wanted to take the more eco. route, I'd rather the sec CB be someone younger and a more tangible asset.
Really depends about the age. Varane is injury prone despite being young. It's as if his knee injury never really heals.

Zlatan recovers fast and almost never gets injured.

TS would have make people supper happy here, but he gets injured at least once per year.

Hummels would have make people even more happier while he suffers injuries too.

It's true that there's a case of lowered expectation, but talking about myself here, I am just content to see improvement however little it can be rather than getting nothing. That doesn't mean I praise the board for it.

I don't blame anyone that feels bad about those transfers. Maybe some even feel cheated. I just see things differently

In my case, what can frustrate me, as seen in PSG threads, are not supposed performances but actual ones. If Vermaelen and Mathieu suck once on the pitch or are injured most of the time, of course I will complain, but for now I wait and see.
 
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