19 - Lamine Yamal

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Pedri is also, perhaps falsely, rated highly because he burst onto the scene and then had an excellent EuroCopa for Spain that narrowly missed out on the final by penalties.

Spains best player, but then International football is a step slower and less physical, which helped Pedri look great. But much like the Arthur fallacy versus Tottenham, you go back and watch, and it is alot of simple actions, or a ton of time without pressure on the ball which you don't get in the big club fixtures.

I am from Croatia, so in theory, I should defend competitions as WC and Euros, but majority of people have probably figured out till now that the quality of football is way lower on the NT tournaments.

Here are some reasons:
1. players play in their clubs for 9-10 months per season and build a lot of chemistry.

In the NT team, there is no such chemistry.
You come, you train for 2 weeks and the bigger emphasis is on momentum, magical moment, lucky goal or motivation than on deep tactics and team's automatism actions and chemistry.

2. in clubs, players are usually united, while in NT teams in some cases, players hate eachother like in Spain (Barca vs Real), England (5-6 big teams), or France/Netherlands due to political and racial problems.

In some other countries though, like Croatia, Brazil, Argentina = players are more united and share a higher level of love towards their country. It often happens in countries who were recently in some wars (Croatia, Ukraine, Israel, Palestine, Kosovo) or with poorer/politically neglected countries, who see World cups as some sort of: "we'll show to the world that our small country exist".
Or in deeply religious countries where people/players are more united.

On the other hand, in some bigger/richer/politically more important countries like England, that motivation to "show to the world that you exist" is way smaller.

3. further, majority of NT tournaments are played after the long season, so players from biggest clubs are often dead tired, mentally drained or injured.
So, again, Euros or WC are the perfect opportunity for some benchwarmers to give 150% and prove themselves or for Pedris, Gavis and Yamal to shine, since the quality is way weaker, there is less team's chemistry, top players are dead tired, and youngsters want to prove themselves (to fans, clubs, sponsors, to potential girlfriends).

So, for example, my country, Croatia, even though we are good, imo we are not THAT good as our results suggest.
Our players are united due to a war in Croatia in the early 90s.
Further, the team is filled with benchwarmers in top clubs like Kovacic, Mandzukic, Lovren, Rakitic.
Who, even though they are good, usually didn't play 55 matches for 90 minutes.
So, they had more energy than English or German starters.
Add some national motivation and "we'll show the world who we are" attitude = and you often get overachieving from smaller/poorer/motivated countries usually filled with benchwarmes + a few top players + a few youngsters playing at 150% to get the dream contract + attract new supermodels.

So, imo, it is hard to judge young players on their NT displays. The quality is poorer, they are usually more rested than starters and have way higher motivation/more to prove.

So, their displays are often "overachieving" and way better than they actually are.

The same happens on a club level when a youngster plays at 150% in his rookie season or two, until his motivation drops and the opponents figure out his main 2-3 tricks.
The same happened with Pedri, Gavi, Fati in their rookie seasons.
Once when they stopped playing at 150%, their form dropped a lot.

Sadly, a huge part of Lamal's form could be a part of that "teenage boost motivation".
If he'll continue to play at the same level (or even improve) for the next 4-5 seasons = then he is consistent.

If he'll play good in his rookie 1-2 seasons and later drops his level = then that wasn't his true level but a mix of teenage motivation, being 100% fit and the opponents not taking him seriously in the early seasons.
 
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Horatio

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I am from Croatia, so in theory, I should defend competitions as WC and Euros, but majority of people have probably figured out till now that the quality of football is way lower on the NT tournaments.

Here are some reasons:
1. players play in their clubs for 9-10 months per season and build a lot of chemistry.

In the NT team, there is no such chemistry.
You come, you train for 2 weeks and the bigger emphasis is on momentum, magical moment, lucky goal or motivation than on deep tactics and team's automatism actions and chemistry.

2. in clubs, players are usually united, while in NT teams in some cases, players hate eachother like in Spain (Barca vs Real), England (5-6 big teams), or France/Netherlands due to political and racial problems.

In some other countries though, like Croatia, Brazil, Argentina = players are more united and share a higher level of love towards their country. It often happens in countries who were recently in some wars (Croatia, Ukraine, Israel, Palestine, Kosovo) or with poorer/politically neglected countries, who see World cups as some sort of: "we'll show to the world that our small country exist".
Or in deeply religious countries where people/players are more united.

On the other hand, in some bigger/richer/politically more important countries like England, that motivation to "show to the world that you exist" is way smaller.

3. further, majority of NT tournaments are played after the long season, so players from biggest clubs are often dead tired, mentally drained or injured.
So, again, Euros or WC are the perfect opportunity for some benchwarmers to give 150% and prove themselves or for Pedris, Gavis and Yamal to shine, since the quality is way weaker, there is less team's chemistry, top players are dead tired, and youngsters want to prove themselves (to fans, clubs, sponsors, to potential girlfriends).

So, for example, my country, Croatia, even though we are good, imo we are not THAT good as our results suggest.
Our players are united due to a war in Croatia in the early 90s.
Further, the team is filled with benchwarmers in top clubs like Kovacic, Mandzukic, Lovren, Rakitic.
Who, even though they are good, usually didn't play 55 matches for 90 minutes.
So, they had more energy than English or German starters.
Add some national motivation and "we'll show the world who we are" attitude = and you often get overachieving from smaller/poorer/motivated countries usually filled with benchwarmes + a few top players + a few youngsters playing at 150% to get the dream contract + attract new supermodels.

So, imo, it is hard to judge young players on their NT displays. The quality is poorer, they are usually more rested than starters and have way higher motivation/more to improve.

So, their displays are often "overachieving" and way better than they actually are.

The same happens on a club level when a youngster plays at 150% in his rookie season or two, until his motivation drops and the opponents figure out his main 2-3 tricks.
The same happened with Pedri, Gavi, Fati in their rookie seasons.
Once when they stopped playing at 150%, their form dropped a lot.

Sadly, a huge part of Lamal's form could be a part of that "teenage boost motivation".
If he'll continue to play at the same level (or even improve) for the next 4-5 seasons = then he is consistent.

If he'll play good in his rookie 1-2 seasons and later drops his level = then that wasn't his true level but a mix of teenage motivation, being 100% fit and the opponents not taking him seriously in the early seasons.
Not a one-off post before disappearing again but an actual possibility to a full comeback = confirmed

Also seems you have come to terms with Argentina winning wc
 

TacticsTim

Active member
Yamal is clearly a really good talent far ahead of any past Barcelona over hyped kids like fati. This kid has actual skills but has a nice body as well unlike fati. Anybody who doesn't see that is blind. But he would probably be better developed in other clubs. I don't trust these clowns to teach him the right things
 

serghei

Senior Member
They can all be considered good talents as far as I'm concerned. But the transition from a talented youngster to a top class player is extremely long and takes years of consistency and improvement.

Oh, and all that part about not needing goals as a winger to become a top class player is obviously utter rubbish. You needs lots of them. At least 20 a season in all competitions.
 
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JohnN

Senior Member
My concern with yamal is his pace to operate like a wide forward.
He has good speed when controlling the ball but his overall top speed doesn't look too fast.
Operating as an inside forward in the half space might suit him better in the long run.
 

Andresito

Senior Member
Staff member
Already 50 games for the first team lol, and he hasn't even turned 17. Hope he'll have a great Euro to come back full of confidence for next season.
 

mc_lovin

Senior Member
Pedri and Ansu are very individual cases (hopefully).

Rooney fucked himself by playing injured regularly (without even telling his club/national team :lol:)
 

BusiTheKing

Senior Member
Overplayed

Will burn out at 30 like Wayne Rooney
Very different play style. With how Yamal exerts himself in games, it doesn't make a huge difference if he's playing against senior or U19 opposition.

First team might actually be more prudent than b-team in regards to physical toll.
 

Porque

Senior Member
Biggest concern with Lamine is a bad injury removing his agility. Think of those chopping leg breaker tackles that early Messi got or Neymar when they embarrassed a defender with a dribble. That is Lamine's biggest threat.

He plays football like a gazelle compared to a stocky poor diet guy like Rooney or average athletic build like Pedri.

Ansu was really unlucky with injuries and that is the example we got to watch out for.
 

Messi983

Senior Member
Pedri and Ansu are very individual cases (hopefully).

Rooney fucked himself by playing injured regularly (without even telling his club/national team :lol:)

Every player should be considered invididually as they all have different play styles and body types.

But we've developed quite worrying (at least for me) pattern of (over)playing and be too dependent on 16-17 yo kids and all of them have some sort of injury problems now that they are in their early twenties or close to that. Not only Ansu and Pedri but also Gavi and Balde.

So I think concerns about Yamal (and Cubarsi too) are legit. We can be hopeful history won't repeat but it looks like we've not learned anything from the past mistakes. Playing a 16 yo kid full 90 minutes in three games in 6 days is just crazy. Even more so considering we're not playing for anything anymore.

I love Yamal and he's the main reason I still watch this team at this point but I would prefer to have him fit, fully developed and more experienced at age 21/22 when hopefully we'll have a more competitive team around him than basically dragging this team of other kids and underperforming and/or overpaid veterans on his shoulders at current age.
 

Messigician

Senior Member
Biggest concern with Lamine is a bad injury removing his agility. Think of those chopping leg breaker tackles that early Messi got or Neymar when they embarrassed a defender with a dribble. That is Lamine's biggest threat.

He plays football like a gazelle compared to a stocky poor diet guy like Rooney or average athletic build like Pedri.

Ansu was really unlucky with injuries and that is the example we got to watch out for.
Lol Pedi was known as machine play 100 games a season unreal stamina until his major inuiry
 

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