5 - Iñigo Martínez

[JamDav1982]

A single game and 2 long balls, he's been great throughout the rest of the tournament yet that goes unnoticed? The first one was offside anyway.

As for those chances they were primarily Martinez's to deal with but Bartra easily could've put in more effort to help cut them out.

Hardly call it a great tournament - he and Bartra have had little to do and teams are being dominated by the midfield on front of them scared to commit men forward.

This tournament has shown nothing really of Bartra and Martinez as they have not really been tested until tonight.

A player like Fontas would have cruised through these first few games.

 

[DavidVillano1]

LOL @ trying to put blame on Barta for Martinez having a poor first half.

Martinez like Carvajal are nowhere near as good as made out by some on here! Whilst Montoya and Barta are underrated..

 

[JamDav1982]

Not worth 30, that's just the effort from Sociedad to keep him. He'd be around 20 in value and that is a bargain for a player with his talent whereas some of you who are only watching the u21 tournament are unsatisfied with him over one game.

A bargain at 20m?

I hope no one at Barcelona shares that view.

He has looked poorer than Bartra who himself is not ready for Barca first team.

 

[DonAndres]

Not blaming Bartra but he hasn't been "cleaning up for Martinez" or even performing admirably compared to him in any way.

 

[DavidVillano1]

Barta has had a much better tournament than Martinez, IMO.

 

[Mr Hulot]

A single game and 2 long balls, he's been great throughout the rest of the tournament yet that goes unnoticed? The first one was offside anyway.

As for those chances they were primarily Martinez's to deal with but Bartra easily could've put in more effort to help cut them out.

But he did put the effort and was the one that marked in the end the two players. If he played like a sweeper he would ruin the defensive line and offside trap. Have you forgotten the atrocious mistake he made against Netherlands as well? The one he gifted them a goal. It is not like he is playing like a wall the whole tournament.
I am not saying Martinez is garbage, but do you really think that he is worth 30 mil? And more importantly, do you think that this guy is going to solve our defensive problems?

 

[DonAndres]

LOL @ trying to put blame on Barta for Martinez having a poor first half.

Martinez like Carvajal are nowhere near as good as made out by some on here! Whilst Montoya and Barta are underrated..

Montoya is rightfully rated, Bartra is unbelievably overrated by some people on here. Comparing him to Varane and Martinez when he has been shaky and unconvincing in the few performances he's had? Even if he's a Madrid player there is no use in trying to deny Carvajal's talent.

 

[JamDav1982]

Not blaming Bartra but he hasn't been "cleaning up for Martinez" or even performing admirably compared to him in any way.

Neither have really been tested other than tonight and Martinez has given one goal away and lucky to not give another away.

Bartra without being anything special has been better than Martinez.

 

[DonAndres]

But he did put the effort and was the one that marked in the end the two players. If he played like a sweeper he would ruin the defensive line and offside trap. Have you forgotten the atrocious mistake he made against Netherlands as well? The one he gifted them a goal. It is not like he is playing like a wall the whole tournament.
I am not saying Martinez is garbage, but do you really think that he is worth 30 mil? And more importantly, do you think that this guy is going to solve our defensive problems?

30 million isn't actual market value, just the buyout placed by Sociedad so they don't let one of their best talents leave for cheap. It can be negotiated down.

Does he have to be a perfect defender at 21? No. He has been better than Bartra this tournament. Montoya covered the right flank well so Bartra's side had less defensive issues to deal with. Moreno on the other hand remains in advanced positions 24/7 leaving Martinez to have more duties with occasional help from Illaramendi dropping deep into defense.

 

[JamDav1982]

30 million isn't actual market value, just the buyout placed by Sociedad so they don't let one of their best talents leave for cheap. It can be negotiated down.

Does he have to be a perfect defender at 21? No. He has been better than Bartra this tournament. Montoya covered the right flank well so Bartra's side had less defensive issues to deal with. Moreno on the other hand remains in advanced positions 24/7 leaving Martinez to have more duties with occasional help from Illaramendi dropping deep into defense.

Stop with the excuses - you are blaming Bartra and now Moreno for Martinez errors.

He is worth nowhere near 20m let alone that being a bargain.

 

[Elite-BkD]

Pep was right and he saw players every day. His opinion is far more valid than mine or yours.

Are you really pretending that one quote out of context gives you so much insight into Pep's mind that you can say with authority that Pep would agree that Masch reads the game better than Pique? I suppose you'd also be comfortable inferring Pep rates Masch more highly than say, Iniesta or Xavi in that regard as well, given how it was worded? Ridiculous stuff. Absolutely crazy.

 

[JamDav1982]

Are you really pretending that one quote out of context gives you so much insight into Pep's mind that you can say with authority that Pep would agree that Masch reads the game better than Pique? I suppose you'd also be comfortable inferring Pep rates Masch more highly than say, Iniesta or Xavi in that regard as well, given how it was worded? Ridiculous stuff. Absolutely crazy.

I would say a quote from Pep gives you a better insight into his mind than anything else. Unless you know better.

 

[DonAndres]

Stop with the excuses - you are blaming Bartra and now Moreno for Martinez errors.

He is worth nowhere near 20m let alone that being a bargain.

The errors are obviously personal to Martinez.

However you can't act like Bartra's had to deal with anything more than Martinez at all. He's been more safe on his side whereas a good deal of whatever attacks do get through are for Martinez to deal with. He made those errors, he isn't having a godlike tournament, but it's wayyy too flawed a reason to rightfully say that he is worse than Bartra or that he isn't worth 20 million. His entire season at Sociedad would suggest that he's worth around that much, but a few errors in a tournament doesn't change that drastically.

 

[DavidVillano1]

Montoya is rightfully rated, Bartra is unbelievably overrated by some people on here. Comparing him to Varane and Martinez when he has been shaky and unconvincing in the few performances he's had? Even if he's a Madrid player there is no use in trying to deny Carvajal's talent.

I don't support Barcelona so have no reason to not like any Real players. I've openly defended Ramos and Arbeloa on here!

Carvajal has talent but going by comments on here from yourself, Beast etc he's much more overrated than Bartra. You made him out to be Maldini mark two the other day, in-fact most of the comments I've read about Barta have been slating him.

Also stated I think many of Varane's performances have been overrated this season and he's looked very shaky at times, i.e Dortmund away. Varane has obviously produced better performances at a higher level than Bartra and is ahead of him in that department, however I like Bartra and think he has potential and he's always impressed me playing for Spain. You also need to take into account Real are more defensive than Barcelona and Varane gets much more protection than Bartra got this year!

 

[JamDav1982]

The errors are obviously personal to Martinez.

However you can't act like Bartra's had to deal with anything more than Martinez at all. He's been more safe on his side whereas a good deal of whatever attacks do get through are for Martinez to deal with. He made those errors, he isn't having a godlike tournament, but it's wayyy too flawed a reason to rightfully say that he is worse than Bartra or that he isn't worth 20 million. His entire season at Sociedad would suggest that he's worth around that much, but a few errors in a tournament doesn't change that drastically.

I watched most of his season at Sociedad and came to the conclusion he was not worth 20m long before this tournament started.

This tournament is backing that up not forming an opinion.